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/>无龄野性<br />在他们漫长的统治时期，<br />这些树木被放任自由生长。<br />他们称这里的土壤为“伊甸园”；地势倾斜陡峭。<br />很难站直<br />即使没有负担。<br />不再是完美的花园了。<br />它保存着一段永恒的记忆。</p><p>我离开工作日常规则<br />来到这里，来到这片宁静之地。<br />音乐搅动着泳池<br />以及从高空<br />无言的优雅秋日乐章<br />散落的原始安息日赞美诗的残片。<br />我记得这里<br />一个交织着邪恶的故事<br />与良善、蛇和葡萄树<br />以及对邪恶计谋的无知。</p><p>我让这件事过去了一段时间。<br />因为纠正它是徒劳的。<br />经过几代人的辛勤努力，<br />我放弃了我的希望和计划<br />任何努力都无法使其完美。<br />这里没有愿景，只有所见：<br />白色花朵无法解释一切。</p><p>但那是一种无声的幸福<br />超出一切痛苦，<br />明媚的阳光将大地染成了百种不同的绿色。</p><p>车轮和火焰的喧嚣<br />它像细胞一样将我们禁锢其中。<br />打开，让我们听<br />比所有时间都更长的静止<br />树叶与歌声交融之处<br />掠过的光芒，随光而去，归来，<br />焕然一新，如同押韵一般。<br />这并非人类的视觉<br />以我方修订为准；<br />上帝的目光注视着每一片叶子，即使光芒褪去。</p><p>这里已成废墟：<br />地上腐烂的枯叶，<br />空气中飘荡的鲜活树叶<br />聚集在一起跳一支舞<br />这让他们兜了个圈。<br />小狐狸沿着几乎没有路径的小路小跑着<br />如同他的离去一般寂静无声。<br />这些逝去使人复活<br />毫无瑕疵的快乐<br />在死亡的道路上迈步歌唱的生命。</p><p> [<em>音乐：《Baby Saige》，演唱者：The Album Leaf</em> ]</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>你和温德尔·贝瑞都对这种浪费、破坏和混乱进行了大量描述。现在，这些描述大多已经变得耳熟能详。你知道，这些对我们所作所为的控诉也变得越来越熟悉。当然，从某种意义上说，记者也扮演着先知的角色。我的意思是，我们被各种事实和图像所淹没，我认为这些事实和图像的呈现目的是为了唤起人们的意识，或许还能促使我们采取不同的行动，但它们也可能使我们感到麻木和无力。你知道，它们会对我们的想象力和行动产生截然相反的影响。所以我想知道，你如何看待圣经文本在滋养希望、勇气以及以不同的方式继续生活的实际方法方面所提供的启示。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>有趣的是，圣经中那些所谓的先知书，那些真正以先知名字命名的书卷，比如耶利米书、以赛亚书、阿摩司书，如果我们认真对待它们，它们都不会让我们感到绝望。如果我们把它们应用到生活中，它们在某种意义上会让我们感到无比沮丧。但它们的结尾都包含了耶利米书中所谓的“安慰之书”。它们的结尾都描绘了上帝的子民与上帝重建健康关系的景象，而且所有书的结尾都描绘了土地丰饶富饶的景象，可以说，这是对上帝与人类、上帝与以色列之间关系重建的庆祝。</p><p>与此类似，当我开始从事这个领域的工作，并意识到问题的严重性时，我变得越来越沮丧。我注意到，我的学生在开始学习这方面内容时也会出现这种情况。最初的反应就是陷入抑郁。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>嗯。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>但随后，可以说，前路开始出现一丝曙光，因为我们开始看到其他人也在看到同样的事情，我们也在关注并致力于这些事情。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>没错。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>温德尔·贝瑞现在说，“当希望开始绝望地寻找理由时，它就能找到理由。”</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>好的。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>你知道，圣经的语言中有很多理由解释我们心中的盼望。它就在那里。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>你知道，你在文章里用了一些反主流文化的措辞。比如，你会说“一种顽强却又饱受挫折的希望”，或者“那些既令人鼓舞又令人深感警醒的事物”。或许，我们必须对希望抱有这种现实主义的态度，它与绝望如此紧密地交织在一起，却依然能够存在下去。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>希望和盲目乐观之间当然是有区别的。要想抱有希望，你必须看清问题的深度和广度。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>嗯。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>而且我认为我们开始逐渐理解了。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>当你谈到创世记和创世记，以及这种对圣经的农业解读时，你会发现其中蕴含着美，蕴含着敬畏，而且圣经和圣经中的所有意象都与灾难并不陌生。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>嗯。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>关于失去、痛苦和悲伤。而且，我的意思是，这些似乎尤其如此，事实上，它们与我们文化中当下的这个主题非常契合，这让我感到惊讶。</p><p><b>戴维斯：</b>是的。我记得我还是学生时，我的第一位神学院院长说过：“如果你在这里不流几滴眼泪，你就错过了重点。”</p><p> [<em>音乐：吉安卡洛斯·武尔卡诺的《亚瑟·兰波肖像》</em> ]</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>最后，请温德尔·贝瑞朗读他的诗集《安息日》中的一段：</p><p><b>温德尔·贝瑞：</b> [<em>朗诵诗歌《安息日——1985，第一部分》</em> ]</p><p>此生此世，我再也见不到他了。<br />老树依然屹立在这里，一如往昔。<br />由轻盈构成的沉重生物，令人愉悦<br />他们直接在他们身上制作，而且很好，<br />无论我们的盲目是由什么造成的，<br />然而，想法或行动可能会失败。</p><p>缺席的负担越来越重，我为此付出了代价。<br />每日的悲伤，我都源于爱<br />对于男女而言，日子和树木<br />我将不再知道。祈祷<br />世间的光芒就这样消逝了。<br />为那些唤醒和感动人心的小歌祈祷。<br />为了在这些灯光熄灭时带来舒适感，<br />再想想灌木丛中的天使们，<br />在一片混乱中，耧斗菜的空中景象<br />歌声飘落，细雨蒙蒙，白昼<br />歌声中，尊贵的艺术回归了。<br />它以卑微的方式一步步发展。</p><p>虽然失明最终可能会在光明中爆发，<br />这么多年过去了，毁了一切，真是太棒了！<br />最终被微不足道的错误所吞噬，<br />我们究竟知道些什么？仍然<br />我们藉着歌声进入的临在<br />祂就在这里，按照祂狂野的意志塑造着四季。</p><p> [<em>音乐：吉安卡洛斯·武尔卡诺的《亚瑟·兰波肖像》</em> ]</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>我们很高兴在 onbeing.org 网站上提供温德尔·贝瑞在肯塔基州家中为我们录制的全部六首诗歌。未来几周，您也可以在<em>On Being</em>播客的订阅源中找到它们，各大播客平台均可收听。温德尔·贝瑞还为艾伦·戴维斯的著作<em>《圣经、文化与农业：圣经的农业解读》</em>撰写了序言。艾伦·戴维斯是北卡罗来纳州达勒姆市杜克大学神学院的阿莫斯·雷根·科恩斯杰出圣经与实践神学教授。</p><p> [<em>音乐：吉安卡洛斯·武尔卡诺的《亚瑟·兰波肖像》</em> ]</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b> On Being Project项目位于达科他族保留地。我们优美的主题音乐由佐伊·基廷创作并演唱。节目结尾您听到的最后一个歌声来自卡梅伦·金霍恩。</p><p> <em>《On Being》</em>是“On Being Project”独立制作的节目，由PRX发行至公共广播电台。我曾在美国公共媒体公司（American Public Media）创作过这档节目。</p><p>我们的资助伙伴包括：</p><p>约翰·邓普顿基金会。运用科学的力量，探索人类面临的最深刻、最令人困惑的问题。访问 templeton.org/discoveries，了解有关慷慨、感恩和人生意义的前沿科学研究。</p><p>费策尔研究所致力于为充满爱的世界奠定精神基础。访问 fetzer.org 了解更多信息。</p><p>卡利奥佩亚基金会致力于重建生态、文化和灵性之间的联系。我们支持那些维护与地球生命神圣关系的组织和项目。了解更多信息，请访问 kalliopeia.org。</p><p> Humanity United 致力于在国内和世界各地提升人类尊严。了解更多信息，请访问 humanityunited.org，该组织隶属于奥米迪亚集团。</p><p>乔治家族基金会支持公民对话项目。</p><p>鱼鹰基金会——致力于促进人们拥有充满力量、健康和充实的生活。</p><p>还有礼来基金会，这是一个总部位于印第安纳波利斯的私人家族基金会，致力于其创始人对宗教、社区发展和教育的兴趣。</p><p></p> </div> </div>    <div class="inline-share-icons border-0 mt-0 pt-0"> <div class="d-flex align-items-center"> <span class="me-3 fw-semibold">Share this story:</span> <div> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailygood.org%2Fstory%2F2497%2Fthe-art-of-being-creatures-krista-tippett%2F" target="_blank" class="share-icon" 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