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href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PztCw49OQ2g">TEDx演讲</a>中就做过——你让满屋子的人站起来，然后把一只手放在别人的肩膀上，施加压力，我想，这能让你感受到身体的存在，也能让你感受到周围的空间，感受到房间里的其他人。我有点想——我们没时间做这个练习了，但我很想以你分享一些人们可以开始练习的方法作为结尾。你最近的文章中贯穿着一个很棒的观点，那就是——你说过，对于非修行者来说，世界就是我们的修行场。</p><p><b>威廉姆斯牧师：</b>没错。我们的老师——尽管我们深爱那些血肉之躯、端坐于垫子上的老师——实际上，真正让我们感到不适、不安和尴尬的，是我们每时每刻、日复一日、月复一月、年复一年所面对的人和事。与其将这些时刻视为对我们身份的威胁，不如重新调整方向，将注意力集中在自身与不断进化、流动、无限扩展的生命体的关系上，并观察：那是什么？它激发了什么？它在我心中唤起了什么？这种不适感，它指向某种看似稳固不变、如今却受到挑战的事物。 ——如果我们能做到这一点，如果我们能以一种这样的方式生活：我们最深刻的学习，我们最深层的成长能力，并非来自将自己与那些让我们感到威胁、不适、失衡或不自在的事物隔绝开来，而是来自弄清楚当我们感受到这些事物时，是什么在与我们对话，以及我们必须从那个情境、那个时刻所体现的老师身上学习什么——不是为了让我们变成与现在不同的人，而是为了让我们不断进化，越来越深刻地理解作为完整的人意味着什么，彻底地、完全地融入人类经验的真相及其所有复杂性之中。</p><p>我认为，如果我们能够转变工作方式——无论我们从事什么工作，无论我们对自身发展怀有何种渴望——愿意直面不适，并将其视为成长和拓展的契机，以及对我们如今拥有更多资源的启示，而不是将其视为限制我们、剥夺我们某些东西的因素——那么，我们很快就能成为一个提升全人类福祉的社会。我们将生活在一个繁荣发展、并深知地球也必须与我们共同繁荣的社会。我们将生活在一个明白任何受苦之人都无法为整个社会做出贡献，并且任何受苦之人都不能反映社会自身苦难的社会。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>我喜欢那种“很快就能实现”的信念。</p><p><b>威廉姆斯牧师：</b>没过多久。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>我对此印象深刻。[<em>笑</em>]</p><p><b>威廉姆斯牧师：</b>很快就到了。[<em>笑</em>]</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>你是这个意思吗？</p><p><b>威廉姆斯牧师：</b>我的确这么认为。我认为我们——我们正以如此快的速度发展——即使是我们现在在社会中经历的一切，我们也只是在循环往复地经历着。我们正在消化这种错位带来的种种问题。我们正在消化这种不宽容是多么令人无法容忍。我们正在消化我们决定抛诸脑后的四五百年历史背景，我们选择转身面对这一切，并说：我必须面对这一切，因为除了让我与我完整、充满爱的人性自我保持联系之外，任何其他的生活方式都是无法容忍的。</p><p><b>蒂佩特：</b>我和你感觉很像——就因为我关注的这些事——在2016年，我觉得这场人间悲剧才是我们结束后必须面对的，而且它不会消失——无论谁赢，它都会一直存在。然后，在过去一年里，我感觉到很多人对这种认识持抵触态度——每个人，到处都是人，都在深陷泥潭。但现在我突然觉得——你在2016年大选后说过一句话。我想<a 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Burley、Zack Rose、Serri Graslie、Colleen Scheck、Christiane Wartell、Julie Siple、Gretchen Honnold 和 Jhaleh Akhavan。</p><p><em>已记录的资助方信息：</em></p><p> “存在之道”项目位于达科他族保留地。我们优美的主题音乐由佐伊·基廷创作并演唱。节目结尾您听到的最后一个歌声来自卡梅伦·金霍恩。</p><p> <em>《On Being》</em>是“On Being Project”独立制作的节目，由WNYC Studios发行至公共广播电台。我曾在美国公共媒体公司（American Public Media）创作过这档节目。</p><p>我们的资助伙伴包括：</p><p>费策尔研究所致力于为充满爱的世界奠定精神基础。访问<a href="http://fetzer.org/">fetzer.org</a>了解更多信息。</p><p>卡利奥佩亚基金会致力于重建生态、文化和灵性之间的联系。支持那些维护与地球生命神圣关系的组织和倡议。了解更多信息，请访问<a href="http://kalliopeia.org/">kalliopeia.org</a> 。</p><p> Humanity United 致力于在国内和世界各地提升人类尊严。了解更多信息，请访问<a href="http://humanityunited.org/">humanityunited.org</a> ，该组织隶属于奥米迪亚集团。</p><p>乔治家族基金会支持公民对话项目。</p> </div> </div>    <div class="inline-share-icons border-0 mt-0 pt-0"> <div class="d-flex align-items-center"> <span class="me-3 fw-semibold">Share this story:</span> <div> <a 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It is full of possibilities but of course also limited (liminal) truth. As with most things, we must simply sit with it, humbly hold it, and let the Truth within reveal itself. }:- a.m.</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2593/-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-432074148-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-show-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=8860#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="8860" data-cmt-author="Patrick Watters"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment-item" id="cmt_8859"> <div class="comment-container"> <div class="comment-avatar"> <img src="https://pod.servicespace.org/pics/mem/blank.jpg" alt="User avatar"> </div> <div class="comment-content-wrapper"> <div class="comment-meta"> <span class="comment-author">Kristin Pedemonti</span> <span class="comment-date">Sep 28, 2020</span> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2593/-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-432074148-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-show-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=8859" class="ms-auto link-icon text-muted"><i class='fa fa-link'></i></a> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <p>Thank you so much for speaking about the need to acknowledge the suffering on all sides and the need for us to lean into that suffering with love.♡<br> Ive been speaking of this and doing this work since 2016 mostly one in one conversations & on my social media, seeking to build bridges of understanding rather than "demonizing" different ways of being.</p><p>Here's to unlearning and to the potential for deeper, broader transformation through love.</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2593/-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-432074148-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-show-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=8859#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="8859" data-cmt-author="Kristin Pedemonti"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment-item" id="cmt_8858"> <div class="comment-container"> <div class="comment-avatar"> <img src="https://pod.servicespace.org/pics/mem/blank.jpg" alt="User avatar"> </div> <div class="comment-content-wrapper"> <div class="comment-meta"> <span class="comment-author">Albin Mathew</span> <span class="comment-date">Sep 28, 2020</span> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2593/-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-432074148-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-show-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=8858" class="ms-auto link-icon text-muted"><i class='fa fa-link'></i></a> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <p>An extraordinary creator consider the CNC machines and working.The best tools and dies manufacturing companies can bolster you and train to oversee machines.<a href="http://triotechtools.com/products/cnc-machine-shop" rel="nofollow noopener" title="http://triotechtools.com/products/cnc-machine-shop">CNC Machine Shop</a>Training is the specialty of best companies.They offer all around made advancement and service like CNC machine shop.Experienced group can generally there for your help.For your mechanical development quality apparatuses are necessary.So you need to locate a decent instruments and kicks the bucket creator.As an industrialist you have to find the best tools and dies manufacturing company.</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2593/-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-432074148-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-show-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=8858#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="8858" data-cmt-author="Albin Mathew"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <script> $(document).ready(function() { // Toggle between short and full comments $('.see_full_cmt').on('click', function(e) { e.preventDefault(); 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