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Ifuatayo Ni Sauti Na Nakala Ya Mahojiano Kati Ya Krista Tippett Na Tiffany Shlain, Yaliyotolewa Kutoka www.onbeing.org
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SHLAIN: Ndio. Na ninafanya kile ambacho kila mtu anafanya nyakati zingine. Mimi si kama puritan fulani au kitu. Ninahisi ubunifu sana Jumapili asubuhi. Ni kichaa. I mean, mimi - oh, kusubiri. Hili ndilo jambo lingine linalotokea ambalo ninavutia sana - unapozima teknolojia, unapunguza kasi ya muda. Unapunguza akili yako. Na watu wengi ambao ninakutana nao - nilikuwa tu huko Sundance, na nikasema, "Unaendeleaje?" “Oh, nina shughuli nyingi sana.” Hayo ni majibu ya kila mtu. Sitaki hilo liwe jibu lako. Niambie kitu cha kuvutia. [ <em>anacheka</em> ]</p><p> Lakini kila mtu anahisi kuzidiwa. Kwa hivyo, jambo hili la kushangaza hufanyika Ijumaa usiku na Jumamosi asubuhi. Mume wangu na mimi - Ken na mimi bado tunatania. Tutakuwa kama, "Saa ngapi sasa? O, bwana wangu, ni saa nane tu asubuhi. Tumefanya mambo manne!" Muda unakwenda polepole sana wakati simu yako imezimwa.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndio. Kwa hivyo, kwa hisia ya uraibu ya uhusiano wetu na teknolojia yetu, unaweza kusema kidogo kuhusu kile tunachojifunza kukihusu - visambazaji nyuro, kama vile oxytocin na dopamini na jinsi vitu hivyo - na pia si lazima kwa njia zinazoonekana kuwa mbaya, lakini kile kinachotolewa katika akili zetu...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ah, ndio.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: ...tunapoingiliana na vifaa hivi.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Inafanana sana na - sijivunii hili, lakini katika uasi katika miaka yangu ya 20, nilivuta sigara. Na najua hiyo inahisije. Na wakati mwingine ningevuta sigara kinywani mwangu na kutaka sigara nyingine. Na ningefurahishwa kwamba wazo hilo linaweza kutokea. [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Na unapokuwa kwenye barua pepe na unataka kuangalia barua pepe mpya, nadhani hiyo ni kitu sawa. Lakini ndio, dopamini - lakini habari njema ni kwamba - na dopamine, pia ni vitu vinavyokufanya ujisikie vizuri, vitu vinavyokufanya utake zaidi, kama vile chakula, au ngono, au kuna mambo haya yote ambayo huwezi kushibishwa nayo.</p><p> Na kisha upande wa nyuma, na oxytocin - hii ndiyo ninayopenda - oxytocin ni homoni ya upendo. Wakati wanawake wananyonyesha, wanajaa oxytocin. Au inakufanya ujiamini. Na inakufanya utake kushirikiana. Na wameonyesha kuwa unapopokea maandishi au barua pepe kutoka kwa mtu unayempenda, au mtu unayehisi kuwa umeunganishwa naye, unapata oxytocin haraka.</p><p> Kwa hivyo, kuna sehemu yangu ambayo inadhani kwamba sababu kwa nini kuna biashara hizi zote shirikishi zinazoongezeka, iwe ni AirBnB, au Lyft, au kampuni hizi zote ambazo zinakua kwenye mtandao ambazo zote zinategemea ushirikiano, ni kwa sababu tumejaa oxytocin. Tumejazwa nayo kiasi kwamba tunataka tu kushirikiana. [ <em>anacheka</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndio. Sasa umetumia hiyo - lugha hii ya "mapinduzi shirikishi yaliyochochewa na oxytocin yote inayozunguka."</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio. Hiyo ni siku zangu za matumaini zaidi. Hiyo ndiyo - hiyo ni jambo zuri. Na, kwa kweli, sio kwa njia ya Pollyanna. Najua kuna mambo mengi mabaya sana yanayotokea duniani, na ninayafikiria hayo. Nimechagua maishani mwangu - ninahisi kama tumezungukwa na mifumo mibaya kama hii kwenye kila kitu na habari, kwa ujumla.</p><p> Ninahisi tu kama ninaweza kuchangia vyema zaidi ikiwa nitatoka - kwa kweli, mimi na mume wangu tunaiita "maono." [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Ni matumaini na mashaka pamoja na kuunganishwa. Maoni, kwa sababu tuna matumaini, lakini ni wa kweli, kwa sababu sisi ni - tunapenda historia na kuiweka msingi katika siku za nyuma. Lakini kwa kweli ninachagua kuzingatia kile tunachoweza kufanya badala ya kuhisi kulemewa na kuzama katika matatizo yote duniani.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Kweli, jambo lingine ninalofikiria sana ni - mtandao ni skrini mpya na yenye nguvu sana kwa hali ya zamani ya mwanadamu. Kweli? Hakuna chochote kinachofanyika mtandaoni ambacho hakina matokeo ya nje ya mtandao.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Hapana, inakuza kila kitu ambacho sisi ni. Na hilo ndilo jambo la kushangaza juu yake.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Unatumia neno “uzuri” sana unapozungumzia teknolojia. Na mimi tu - nashangaa - unafanyaje - kifungu kama hicho, lugha hiyo ya "uzuri wa teknolojia." Je, ni miunganisho gani ambayo imejazwa kwako?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Nadhani labda - kama vile ulivyokuwa ukisema, sikuwa nimefikiria juu ya hilo, lakini nilikua tu na baba yangu akiandika <em>Sanaa na Fizikia</em> , kwamba uzuri wa hesabu - ushairi wa mlingano wa kushangaza na msimbo na - ninamaanisha, nadhani sanaa ni - nadhani uzuri unaweza kutumika kwa kila kitu. Ninaona sanaa na sayansi jinsi alivyonifundisha kuiona, ambayo ni kwamba ni - picha za mtu na milinganyo ya mtu na nambari, lakini zinafanana - zinatuonyesha mawazo sawa, lakini katika lugha tofauti. Na huenda katika historia yote na aina ya mifano ya chati ya hiyo katika kitabu hicho.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Baba yako anafanya hivyo?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Kwa hivyo, kwa suala la kazi hii ya mtandao kuwa katika uchanga wake, na jinsi msingi wake ni sisi, kwa kweli, na jinsi tunavyojenga msingi wake. Unaona wapi haya yakitokea? I mean, wewe ni huko nje kuzungumza kuhusu mambo haya. Je, unaona wapi msingi huu wenye matumaini, unaoongozwa na tabia ukijengwa?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Kweli, nikirudi kwenye nukta moja uliyosema ambayo nadhani juu ya mengi ni mambo ambayo yanakuwa unabii wa kujitosheleza ikiwa tutaendelea kusema. Nadhani kwa mtandao, ninafikiria kabisa juu yake na hadithi ya wanawake, kwamba sisi daima "sio" - hatutoshi kwa hili, hatutoshi - hatutoshi viti vya bodi, hatutoshi kazi za kuongoza. Sifikirii kamwe - ni njia tofauti sana kufikiria juu ya ulimwengu kama unatoka kwa kile ambacho sio, badala ya, kwangu, ambayo ni, tuko wapi? Tuko wapi safu ya historia? Na tunawezaje kuitengeneza kusonga mbele?</p><p> Na nadhani - nina furaha sana kuhusu wakati wa kila mtu kuwa mtandaoni, ambayo nadhani itafanyika katika miaka mitano ijayo. Kila mtu anayetaka kuwa, ambayo itakuwa sehemu kubwa sana ya idadi ya watu - tena, kurudi kwenye sayansi ya neva ya ubongo wa mtoto, kwamba kuna hatua katika ukuaji wa ubongo wa mtoto ambapo sehemu zote tofauti za ubongo zimeunganishwa ili waweze kuwa na ufahamu wao wa kwanza. Na kuongeza hilo kwenye mtandao - nadhani, kwa wakati huu, tumeunganishwa kwa asilimia 60. Na wakati ambapo tunaweza kufanya kila mtu kwenye mtandao aunganishwe, fikiria itakuwaje - maarifa ambayo yataweza kutokea tunapokuwa na mitazamo mingi tofauti inayokuja pamoja katika mtandao mmoja. Na nadhani changamoto itakuwa kuunda zana shirikishi za kutosha ili hilo lifanyike. Lakini hiyo inanifanya niwe na tumaini la ajabu.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ungesema nini ...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Na ninamaanisha, mwishowe ...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Endelea, ndio.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Oh, nilikuwa naenda kusema tu kwamba ninaamini katika ubinadamu. Ninahisi kama kumekuwa na nyakati kadhaa ambapo tungeweza kubishana kabisa - idadi kubwa ya watu mbali. Na hatukufanya hivyo. Na nadhani, kwa picha kubwa zaidi, mwishowe ninaamini kwa wanadamu. Na ninaamini kuwa tutabadilika. Nadhani - kama kitu chochote, pamoja na maendeleo, ni hatua mbili mbele, hatua moja nyuma, na daima kutakuwa na sehemu hizi zetu ambazo si nzuri, ambazo ni za kutisha, zenye vurugu, ambazo daima zitakuwepo. Lakini nadhani kwa ujumla, tunapopata kila mtu mtandaoni, nadhani utaona mambo ya ajabu yakitokea ambayo hatuwezi hata kufikiria.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Je, unaweza kusema hivyo - ulianzisha Chuo cha Kimataifa cha Sanaa na Sayansi ya Dijiti, na Tuzo za Webby. Je, unaweza kusema hiyo ni njia - hiyo ni chombo au jukwaa la...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Kweli kabisa.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: ... kuita tabia na wema na ubora?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio. Kilichonifurahisha sana nilipoanzisha Webbys nyuma - muda mrefu uliopita, ilikuwa ni kuhusu njia hii changa sana, kwamba tulitaka kuweka kiwango cha ubora, na kusema hii ni bora zaidi. Kama vile unavyosema, ikiwa tutaiweka kwa tabia, hizi zina sifa na nguvu bora kwenye wavuti hivi sasa. Hapa ni ubora, na sasa kusukuma zaidi ya mwaka ujao. Na mwaka ujao daima - wewe ni daima kuongeza bar ya nini ni bora na nini ni nguvu. Na unasaidia kubadilisha kitu, kama tu na yako - kama ulivyosema awali, ikiwa unakuza mtandao. Unasaidia kuikuza. Inafurahisha, sasa - kwa sababu wanaitwa "watengenezaji wa wavuti," na nilifikiria hilo kwa njia tofauti sasa hivi. [ <em>anacheka</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Ni kweli sana.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Watengenezaji wa wavuti. Sote tunaiendeleza.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndio, vizuri, pia - ndio, haswa, na hadi hapo, ikiwa unafikiria - kwa sababu unafanya muunganisho huu sasa. Fikiria juu ya kukuza mtandao katika suala la mbinu za ukuaji wa watoto wenye afya. Uko sahihi. Ni ajabu. Na yale tu uliyosema dakika moja iliyopita kuhusu unabii unaotimia. Tunajua ikiwa tunamlea mwanadamu ulimwenguni, na kila wakati tunafanya jumla juu yao na mustakabali wao kwa msingi wa jambo baya zaidi walilofanya, kosa hili walilofanya.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Kweli.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Kasoro hii, dosari hii ya mhusika.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Asante. Ndiyo. Habari ndio hiyo.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndivyo tunavyowaharibu.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Hiyo ndiyo ninayopata - ikiwa tunasema tu mabaya zaidi ya ubinadamu kila wakati, ambayo ni habari, ndivyo unavyosikia. Na ikiwa unamlea mtoto, kuleta tu - hiyo itakuwa njia mbaya zaidi ya kulea mtoto, badala ya - hii ndio unaweza kuwa, hapa ndipo unahitaji kwenda, hii ni mifano ya ubora, unasema mbaya zaidi. Na, ndio, nimechoka na hilo. Tunataka hii iwe nini? Hebu tufikirie pamoja.</p><p> [ <em>Muziki: “Mvua” na Dustin O'Halloran</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Mimi ni Krista Tippett na hii ni <em>On Being</em> . Leo niko na mwanzilishi wa mtandao na mtengenezaji wa filamu Tiffany Shlain.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ninaona pia umeshughulikia - sijui ikiwa hii ilirasimishwa, lakini kitu kama sheria za adabu kwa umri wa mtandao, ningesema, na Sherry Turkle. Je, unaweza kushiriki michache kati ya hizo?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio, watu wanapoandika barua pepe ndefu sana. Nani atazisoma sasa hivi? Barua pepe ya maneno mia-au-chini, nukta ya vitone, kichwa wazi cha mada. Pia, mimi hucheka unapouliza kuona picha ya mmoja wa watoto wa rafiki yako, na wanachomoa simu zao. Na ghafla wanapotea katika mwaka wao wa mwisho wa picha. "Oh, wacha nionyeshe - oh, hapana, hapana, hapana. Acha nikuonyeshe hii. Acha nionyeshe hii." Na kisha kufikia mwisho, hukutaka kuona video 20 na picha sita. Ulitaka kuona jinsi mtoto wao alivyokua, na kumthamini mtoto wao kwa sekunde.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ni nini kilihusu kumaliza maandishi, si - ikiwa mwenzi wako ataingia chumbani, wewe ...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ah, kwa kweli, ninajaribu kutoingia kwenye chumba nikizungumza na simu. Kwa sababu hiyo - hutambui ni kiasi gani hicho, kwa mtu aliye nyumbani, wakati uko katikati ya mazungumzo, sio njia nzuri ya kusalimiana na mtu.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Sawa. Lakini ni jambo dogo kwamba - uko sahihi. Hatufikirii juu ya athari tunayopatana. Au uwepo wetu. Uwepo wetu.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Hilo ndilo jambo zuri sana kuhusu - hata katika shabbat za teknolojia, kila mtu huzima simu yake, skrini zote, na uko tu - mko pamoja sana. Nakumbuka baba alipofariki, kulikuwa na watu wengi kwenye mazishi yake ambao sikuwa nimekutana nao, lakini wote walinijia na kunisimulia hadithi. Na kile ambacho wengi wao waliniambia kwa njia tofauti ni kwamba, baba yako kila wakati alinifanya nijisikie kuwa mtu muhimu zaidi chumbani. Na ninahisi kama leo hakuna mtu anayefanya mtu yeyote ahisi kama yeye ndiye mtu muhimu zaidi katika chumba.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndio, tuna...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ni ...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: ...tabia zetu zinafanya kazi kinyume na hilo, sivyo?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio. Kuna mambo mengi sana ambayo ni muhimu zaidi ambayo yanaweza kutokea wakati wowote. Na wewe tu - tunapaswa kuzingatia muunganisho wa kihemko. Na watu wengi wana wasiwasi kuhusu vijana, na wao ni kama, "Loo, watoto, hawatazamani macho," na wote - mimi, kwa ujumla, sina wasiwasi sana kuhusu vijana. Ninahisi kama tumepitia teknolojia nyingi tofauti ambazo zimebadilisha jinsi tulivyopitia ulimwengu. Na hatimaye, sisi ni wanadamu, na tunahitaji kuwasiliana kwa macho. Hiyo - sisi ...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Kwamba hawataacha kufanya hivyo.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: ...kwamba mama na mtoto wanapaswa kuutengeneza ili ubongo wa mtoto ukue. Na ikiwa uko kwenye ndoa lazima uangalie macho. Lazima uunganishe kihalisi, ama sivyo ndoa hiyo, haitafanya kazi. Na mahusiano ya kweli yanahitaji uhusiano wa kina. Na tena, hii inarudi - Ninaamini katika wanadamu, ninaamini tuko katika kipindi hiki cha mabadiliko na teknolojia hii yote, na kwamba tunahitaji kubadilika na kuunda - iwe unataka kuziita tabia au mazoea ambayo huruhusu muunganisho huku ukitumia zana hii nzuri ya mtandao.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Je! wewe - Nafikiri sana siku hizi kuhusu jinsi, hata wakati - watoto wangu sasa wana miaka 17 na 22. Lakini watoto wangu walipokuwa wadogo, hofu kubwa ilikuwa kwamba televisheni ingeoza akili zao.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Sawa.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Na sasa wao ni vijana, na kama ulimwengu umebadilika wakati huo, ikiwa sote tuko katika chumba kimoja, tunatazama kipindi kimoja cha TV, huo ni wakati wa ubora. Kweli?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio, nilikuwa nikifikiria hilo tu nilipokuwa Sundance tu - nilitazama rundo zima la filamu katika jumba kubwa la maonyesho lililokuwa na watu wengi, ambalo lilikuwa tamu na la kustaajabisha kupata tu mambo hayo yote na watu wengine. Na inafurahisha sana kuitazama hiyo pamoja na familia yako wakati kweli mnaingia kwenye filamu au kipindi pamoja. Ni ajabu sana.</p><p> Lakini televisheni ilikuwa hofu kubwa. Hiyo ilikuwa hofu kubwa, ambayo ni ya kuchekesha kwangu sasa kwani sijatazama sana televisheni wakati wazazi wangu walipotalikiana. Na hiyo ikawa familia mbadala ambayo haikuwa ikitokea wakati mgumu sana katika familia yangu. Na nilitazama <em>The Brady Bunch</em> zaidi ya vile ninavyojali kushiriki nawe. [ <em>anacheka</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Kwa hivyo, niambie — nashangaa, unapofikiria kuhusu teknolojia na muunganisho wa binadamu, huwa nashangaa kama kuna maarifa kuhusu hilo, vipengele vya hilo, ambavyo vinakushangaza kwa sasa, ambavyo hata hukuweza kujua au kufikiria miaka mitano iliyopita, au miaka kumi iliyopita, na ni nini— je, kuna baadhi ya mambo ambayo umekuwa ukijifunza ambayo unahisi kuwa mapya na ya aina yake...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Sawa, mimi...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: ... katika mwelekeo unaofuata?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Nitakuambia, kuna jambo moja ambalo ninapigana na jinsi ninavyofikiria juu yake, ni kwamba hivi karibuni tuna kifaa nyumbani kwetu kinachoitwa Alexa. Na ni mzungumzaji wa Amazon ambaye unaweza kusema kwa maneno, "Hali ya hewa ikoje?" au "Weka habari za NPR," au "Cheza Nina Simone," au chochote, na inafanya hivyo. Na nimekuwa nikifikiria sana, ni skrini ambayo ilikuwa inanisumbua? Kwa sababu ghafla kuna maneno haya - na ni angavu. Ni kweli kazi. Unaweza kusema chochote na kitatokea.</p><p> Na iko katikati jikoni, na ni nzuri ikiwa unapika, kwa sababu unaweza kuweka vipima saa nyingi juu yake, ambayo ninapenda. Hata hivyo, nimekuwa nikifikiria kuhusu, sawa, kwa hivyo sina skrini, lakini ninaingiliana ghafla na ulimwengu huu mkubwa zaidi, na hiyo ni nyingi sana? Je - hiyo inamaanisha nini? Ninawaza hilo sana. Kwa sababu nadhani hilo litakuwa jambo la kawaida hivi karibuni, ambapo unasema mambo haya yote kwa etha na majibu kutokea. Na hiyo itabadilishaje mambo?</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Na kwamba ni sauti tu inayohusika.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio, ni sauti tu. Na nadhani mengi juu ya robotiki, ni wazi, kwa sababu mume wangu huwafanya. Na kuna wasiwasi mwingi juu yao. Na yeye hana, tena, wasiwasi. Anafikiri itakuwa uhusiano wa ushirikiano sana juu ya kutoa vitu ambavyo wanadamu hawahitaji kufanya, na wanadamu bado watafanya kile, bila shaka, wanahitaji kufanya, ambayo ni mawazo ya ubunifu, na huruma, na mambo haya mengine yote.</p><p> Kwa hivyo nikirudi kwenye swali lako la mambo ambayo yamenishangaza, huwa nashangazwa na jinsi nguvu - na tena, nadhani hii inahusiana na shabbat za teknolojia. Kila wiki mimi hushangazwa tena [ <em>anacheka</em> ] kuna mwonekano mpya wa mshangao sasa - wa hisia hii ya kuunganishwa na watu, na mawazo, na kisha hatimaye ninahisi kushikamana sana na watu ambao ninakutana nao mtandaoni, kwenye Twitter - hasa kwenye Twitter, kwa kweli. Ninahisi kufichuliwa zaidi na mawazo mapya, mapya ambayo nisingeingiliana nayo. Nilisikia jambo hili la kuchekesha kuwa Facebook ni uliyesoma naye shule na Twitter ambao ungetamani uende shule nao. Ambayo nadhani yanajumuisha jinsi ninavyofikiria kuhusu teknolojia, lakini sidhani kama ninapata swali kubwa kuhusu mshangao mkubwa zaidi, ambao - au...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Hapana. Hapana, hiyo ni nzuri. Niliidhihaki Twitter kwa muda mrefu bila kuijaribu. Na ni kinyume sana kwa njia ambayo kitu ...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ni, ndio.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: ...hiyo - sawa? Nguvu hiyo - ambayo ndiyo niliidhihaki - ambayo inalazimisha chochote ndani ya wahusika wengi, nadhani ina vile - ina - ni wazi, sio kila wakati ya ushairi na ya kina, lakini ina uwezo huu wa ajabu wa ushairi na ...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ni kweli...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: ...uzito na muunganisho.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndio. Ninahisi ni - ninaingiliana na mawazo mengi tu. Na inasisimua - ni, kwa kweli, inarudi kwa karibu ule mtandao wa hali chaguo-msingi ambapo miunganisho isiyo ya kawaida ninayotazama chini na ninaona wazo fulani, na nilikuwa nikifikiria tu juu ya kitu kingine, na kisha hilo lilijiunga na wazo hilo, na wazo jipya litatokea. Na mimi huwa kama, oh, hiyo ilikuwa - hiyo ni nzuri. Kwa hiyo naipenda hiyo. Naipenda hiyo. Kizazi cha wazo kinachotokana na hilo.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Unafikiri vipi - shauku ambayo umeishi ndani yake, ambayo inahusiana sana na teknolojia, na maisha yetu na teknolojia, na unganisho - unafikiriaje yote hayo yameingia na kuunda hisia yako ya nini maana ya kuwa mwanadamu? Ungeanzaje kuzungumzia hilo? Ni swali kubwa, lakini ungewezaje - ungeanzia wapi kuzungumzia hilo?</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ninahisi, kupitia teknolojia kwa njia fulani, ni karibu kwa njia ambayo sayansi imetoa msingi wa mawazo ambayo yamekuwepo kwa muda mrefu. Na kwa njia nyingi, teknolojia inayotuunganisha sote, na ustadi wa teknolojia, inaunda aina hii ya msingi wa hamu yetu ya kuunganisha hii kubwa kwa kitu kikubwa kuliko sisi. Je, hilo lina maana?</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndio, ni nzuri. Je, umewahi kusikia kuhusu Teilhard de Chardin? Je, unamfahamu...</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Bila shaka. Bila shaka. Mimi...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Kwa njia fulani, wazo la mageuzi ya kiroho, na wazo - mtazamo wake kwa kufanya kazi kwa mtazamo wa muda mrefu, sawa, lakini kwa jinsi ubinadamu ulivyokuwa umefika physiologically kupitia mageuzi. Na hisia yake kwamba noos - kwamba eneo hili la wazo, ubunifu wa mwanadamu na mawazo na mawazo yangefunika aina ya biosphere, na ingebadilisha biosphere, ingebadilisha ukweli. Kwangu, hiyo - ni njia moja ya kuzungumza juu ya kile unachopendekeza. Na nadhani una maoni marefu ya wakati, vile vile, ambayo tunapaswa kulenga, kwa njia za vitendo sana katika suala la jinsi tunavyoishi kila siku.</p><p> MS. SHLAIN: Ndiyo. Ni matukio madogo madogo ambayo yanaingia kwenye mtandao huu mkubwa zaidi unaotegemeana. Jinsi tunavyoitumia ni njia ambazo tunaweza kupenyeza hisia za tabia katika jinsi tunavyokua na kuendeleza mtandao. Na mfumo huu mkubwa zaidi wa kutegemeana ambao tunaunda, ambao unatuonyesha kile ambacho tayari kipo kwa undani sana.</p><p> [ <em>Muziki: “Fort” na GoGo Penguin</em> ]</p><p> Tiffany Shlain ndiye mwanzilishi wa Tuzo za Webby na mwanzilishi mwenza wa Chuo cha Kimataifa cha Sanaa na Sayansi ya Dijiti. Ameongoza na kuandika kwa ushirikiano filamu 28, baadhi zikiwa na vitabu vinavyoandamana, ikiwa ni pamoja na "Sayansi ya Tabia," "Nguvu ya Ubongo: Kutoka Mishipa ya Mishipa hadi Mitandao," na filamu ya muda wa hali ya juu <em>Imeunganishwa: Blogu ya Kiotomatiki kuhusu Upendo, Kifo, na Teknolojia</em> .</p><p> Huenda hujui kuwa <em>On Being</em> inaanzisha mpango wa kushirikisha jamii unaoitwa Selfie Yako ya Sauti. 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