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Slijedi zvučni Zapis I Prijepis Intervjua onbeing.org između Kriste Tippett I dr. Jamesa Dotyja.
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id="dg_story"> <div class="dark-link perm_post"> na mnogo načina oni su još uvijek djeca i samo traže tu osobu koja će ih zagrliti i voljeti. To može biti stvarno izvanredno.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Da, jest. Imamo još samo nekoliko minuta. Gledao sam panel, mislim da je to bila CCARE konferencija koju ste održali 2014. Zvučalo je tako zanimljivo. I to su bile konačne misli. A netko na panelu, još jedan znanstvenik koji radi u ovom svijetu istraživanja, rekao je - rekla je da misli da je prednost za rast ovog polja identificiranje - da se toliko toga uči o tome što možemo učiniti, u smislu poticanja suosjećanja i ljudskog procvata s puno bogatijom maštom o tome kako to izgleda. Ali rekla je, još uvijek moramo nastaviti identificirati, koji su teški, trnoviti problemi kojima još uvijek ne znamo kako pristupiti u modernoj kulturi za mnoge ljude? I pitam se kako ti razmišljaš o tome. Što bi za vas bila ta problematika, ta dinamika?</p><p> DR. DOTY: Pa, mislim da smo se dotakli nekih od njih. Jedna je naša priroda, ako hoćete, da se osjećamo prijetnjom. I ova tendencija prema tribalizmu. A mislim da je drugo kako stvoriti održivu promjenu ili promjenu navika?</p><p> Ranije smo govorili o jednoj od tendencija da se vratimo svom osnovnom ponašanju kada osjetimo prijetnju. I zanimljivo je - kada spojite sve ove informacije koje učimo o ovim različitim područjima, i možete ih konsolidirati, to vam daje mnogo jasniju sliku - i, zapravo, mislim, optimističnu sliku - o mogućnostima. Postoji cijelo jedno područje interesa koje se zove neurohakiranje. [ <em>smijeh</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: [ <em>smije se</em> ] Nisam čuo za to. reci mi</p><p> DR. DOTY: Pa, to je uvjerenje da zapravo možete hakirati svoj mozak i promijeniti ga. I bilo da se radi o lijekovima, ili neuro-protetici, ili cijelom nizu tehnologija koje možete ukloniti ili poboljšati neke od ovih negativnih tendencija koje imamo, i promovirati ova druga područja koja su pozitivnija. Kao primjer, govorili smo o amigdali i nekim njenim negativnim učincima. Ako biste mogli stvoriti lijek, implantat, stimulator koji bi mogao poboljšati svoje učinke i zapravo odmah reagirati kada osjeti prijetnju koja nije stvarna prijetnja, onda bi to moglo promijeniti čitav niz interakcija koje imamo.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Osjećam da mi - teško je - pa, ne znam, možda je to zbog nedostatka mašte. Teško mi je zamisliti da možemo nadići ljudsko stanje pomoću implantata. Ali evo još jedne stvari koja - mislim da se provlači kroz naš razgovor, ali želim je imenovati, a vi ste ovo napisali - može boljeti ići kroz život otvorenog srca. Nije samo — možemo odlučiti da ne budemo plemenski. Ali otvarate se još više radosti, ali i boli koju možda prije niste dopustili osjetiti. I to je nešto čemu ćemo se mi kao stvorenja, mislim, oduprijeti.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Većina nas ima tendenciju željeti zadovoljstvo, a ne bol. Ono što, međutim, mislim da svatko tko je živio život - što znači da ste imali bol i patnju - jest da shvaćate da postoji dar u boli i patnji, jer ono što vam omogućuje je da vidite stvarnost da je to dio života. I to je dio smislenog života.</p><p> I kada ste u mogućnosti uzeti tu bol i patnju i iskoristiti je da se ne skrivate od svijeta, koristiti je da se ne bojite svake interakcije, već da je koristite da kažete, da, ponekad je teško, ali naučio sam toliko lekcija i postao sam zahvalniji i više cijenim, i vidite u toliko primjera kako su, suočeni s najvećim nedaćama, ljudi pokazali svoju najveću ljudskost. I kada to prepoznate, tada ste najponosniji što ste zapravo dio ljudske vrste.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Recite mi o studijama koje se sada odvijaju, ili - ovo je tako divlja granica neuroznanosti i razumijevanja naših tijela i mozgova, te interakcije između njih. Pričajte mi o nekim rubovima uvida u nastajanju koji vas trenutno intrigiraju.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Pa, zapravo, to je zanimljivo jer jedna od stvari - a mi zapravo uređujemo nešto što se zove <em>Handbook of Compassion Science</em> koji će, zapravo, Oxford University Press objaviti, ali jedno od završnih poglavlja čiji sam koautor zapravo je polje umjetne inteligencije u nastajanju i utjecaj koji će ono imati. I ono što je izvanredno u vezi s ovim poljem u nastajanju je priznanje - i nije li čudno - priznanje da sada morate dovesti moralne filozofe u interakciju s računalnim znanstvenicima.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Da. [ <em>smijeh</em> ]</p><p> DR. DOTY: [ <em>smije se</em> ] Zar ne?</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Da.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Zato što ove robote morate prožeti, ako hoćete, određenim stupnjem ljudskosti. I također, u ljudskom primjeru, ista vrsta stvari, gdje imate pojedince koji izgleda nemaju sposobnost povezivanja s drugima.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Tako je. Duboko se povezati, poput oksitocina.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Točno. I tako, u prvom planu je mogućnost da to potencijalno promijenite na neki način gdje ljudima možete dati ovaj dar povezivanja. Sada, ovo vodi na sasvim drugo područje, točno, jer ako ste pogledali ...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: [ <em>smije se</em> ] Možda imate supružnike koji to ubacuju u piće svojih partnera.</p><p> DR. DOTY: [ <em>smije se</em> ] Da, potencijalno. Ali to zapravo dovodi do cijele ove poante, tko smo mi zapravo, zar ne?</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Da. Da, ima.</p><p> DR. DOTY: I onda, je li ispravno ili pogrešno ako imamo mogućnost to promijeniti...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Reformirati ih na taj način, biološki.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Da.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Vau.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Točno.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: To je nevjerojatno.</p><p> DR. DOTY: I, baš kao što kažete, je li ispravno ili pogrešno promijeniti svog supružnika onako kako oni žele - vi želite da budu? [ <em>smijeh</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Tako je. Ali to povećava mogućnost da ćemo - recimo, u sljedećim desetljećima, u ovom stoljeću, biti prisiljeni - zbog toga kamo nas tehnologija i znanost vode - morati artikulirati viziju ljudske normalnosti i ljudskog procvata. I osjećam se kao da ste odgovorili na ovo pitanje na mnogo načina tijekom ovog - našeg razgovora, ali pitam se kako ovaj posao koji obavljate svakodnevno, i ono što učite, i osobno, ali i kao znanstvenik - kako to nastavlja utjecati i oblikovati način na koji se svakodnevno krećete svijetom? Vidite li konkretne načine na koje vas to nastavlja mijenjati ili mijenjati na drugačiji način?</p><p> DR. DOTY: Pa, mislim da postoji nekoliko stvari. Mislim da je jedno barem ono što pokušavam učiniti, ili što je moja namjera ili težnja da učinim, angažirati ljude na ovaj način otvorenog srca. 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