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Ifuatayo Ni Sauti Na Nakala Ya Mahojiano Ya onbeing.org Kati Ya Krista Tippett Na Dk. James Doty.
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watoto, na wanatafuta tu mtu huyo ambaye atawakumbatia na kuwapenda. Inaweza kuwa ya ajabu sana.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndiyo. Tuna dakika chache zaidi. Kwa hivyo nilikuwa nikitazama jopo, nadhani ilikuwa mkutano wa CCARE ambao ulifanya mnamo 2014. Ilionekana kuwa ya kufurahisha sana. Na yalikuwa mawazo ya mwisho. Na mtu fulani kwenye jopo, mwanasayansi mwingine ambaye anafanya kazi katika ulimwengu huu wa utafiti, alisema - alisema anafikiria makali ya ukuaji wa uwanja huo ni kutambua - kwamba kuna mengi ya kujifunza kuhusu kile tunachoweza kufanya, katika suala la kukuza huruma, na binadamu kustawi na mawazo tajiri zaidi juu ya jinsi hiyo inaonekana. Lakini alisema, bado tunahitaji kuendelea kutambua, ni matatizo gani magumu, miiba ambayo bado hatujui jinsi ya kukabiliana na utamaduni wa kisasa kwa watu wengi? Na ninashangaa jinsi unavyofikiria juu ya hilo. Ni masuala gani hayo, mienendo hiyo kwako?</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli, nadhani, kwa kweli, tumegusa baadhi yao. Moja ni asili yetu, ikiwa unataka, kuhisi tishio. Na tabia hii kuelekea ukabila. Na nadhani nyingine ni jinsi gani unaweza kuunda mabadiliko endelevu au mabadiliko ya tabia?</p><p> Tulizungumza hapo awali kuhusu moja ya mielekeo pia ya kurejea tabia yetu ya msingi tunapohisi tishio. Na inafurahisha - unapounganisha maelezo haya yote tunayojifunza kuhusu maeneo haya tofauti, na unaweza kuyaunganisha, inakupa picha iliyo wazi zaidi - na, kwa kweli, nadhani, picha ya matumaini - ya uwezekano. Kuna eneo zima la kupendeza linaloitwa neuro-Hacking. [ <em>anacheka</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Sijasikia hilo. Niambie.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli, ni imani hii kwamba unaweza kuingia kwenye ubongo wako na kuibadilisha. Na iwe ni kwa kutumia dawa za kulevya, au mfumo wa neva, au aina mbalimbali za teknolojia ambazo unaweza kuondoa au kuboresha baadhi ya mielekeo hii hasi tuliyo nayo, na kukuza maeneo haya mengine ambayo ni chanya zaidi. Kwa mfano, tulizungumza juu ya amygdala na baadhi ya athari zake mbaya. Ikiwa ungeweza kuunda dawa, kipandikizi, kichocheo ambacho kinaweza kuboresha athari zake na kujibu mara moja inapohisi tishio ambalo si tishio halisi, basi hiyo inaweza kubadilisha seti nzima ya mwingiliano tulionao.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ninahisi kama sisi - ni ngumu - vizuri, sijui, labda hii ni ukosefu wangu wa mawazo. Ni vigumu kwangu kufikiria tunaweza kuvuka hali ya binadamu kwa vipandikizi. Lakini hapa kuna jambo lingine ambalo - nadhani limepitia mazungumzo yetu, lakini nataka kulitaja, na umeandika hili - linaweza kuumiza kupitia maisha na moyo wako wazi. Sio tu - tunaweza kuamua kutokuwa wakabila. Lakini unajifungua kwa furaha zaidi, na pia kwa maumivu ambayo labda hukujiruhusu kujisikia hapo awali. Na hilo ni jambo ambalo tutapinga kama viumbe, nadhani.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Wengi wetu tuna tabia ya kutamani raha kuliko maumivu. Nini, ingawa, nadhani mtu yeyote ambaye ameishi maisha - ambayo ina maana umekuwa na maumivu na mateso - ni kwamba unatambua kwamba kuna zawadi katika uchungu na mateso, kwa sababu kile kinachokuruhusu kufanya ni kuona ukweli kwamba hii ni sehemu ya maisha. Na ni sehemu ya maisha yenye maana.</p><p> Na unapoweza kuchukua maumivu hayo na mateso na kuitumia ili kutojificha kutoka kwa ulimwengu, kuitumia sio kuogopa kila mwingiliano, lakini kuitumia kusema, ndio, wakati mwingine ni ngumu, lakini nimejifunza masomo mengi na nimekuwa na shukrani zaidi na kuwa na shukrani zaidi, na kuona katika mifano mingi jinsi, katika uso wa dhiki kubwa zaidi, watu wameonyesha ubinadamu wao mkubwa. Na ni pale unapotambua hili ndipo unapojivunia kuwa sehemu ya aina ya binadamu.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Niambie kuhusu tafiti zinazofanyika sasa, au - huu ni mipaka ya pori ya sayansi ya neva na kuelewa miili na akili zetu, na mwingiliano kati yao. Niambie kuhusu baadhi ya kingo zinazoibuka za maarifa ambazo zinakuvutia kwa sasa.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli, inafurahisha kwa sababu moja ya vitu hivyo - na kwa kweli tunahariri kitu kiitwacho <em>Kitabu cha Sayansi ya Huruma</em> ambacho, kwa kweli, Oxford University Press itakuwa ikichapisha, lakini moja ya sura za kuhitimisha ambazo ninaandika pamoja ni uwanja unaoibuka wa akili bandia na athari ambayo itakuwa nayo. Na nini cha ajabu kuhusu uwanja huu unaojitokeza ni utambuzi - na sio ajabu - utambuzi kwamba sasa unapaswa kuleta wanafalsafa wa maadili ili kuingiliana na wanasayansi wa kompyuta.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndiyo. [ <em>anacheka</em> ]</p><p> DR. DOTY: [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Sawa?</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndio.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kwa sababu lazima uimarishe roboti hizi, ikiwa unataka, na kiwango fulani cha ubinadamu. Na pia, katika mfano wa kibinadamu, aina moja ya kitu, ambapo una watu binafsi ambao hawaonekani kuwa na uwezo wa kuunganishwa na wengine.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Sawa. Kuunganisha kwa undani, kama oxytocin.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli kabisa. Na kwa hivyo, kwenye mstari wa mbele ni uwezo wa kubadilisha hii kwa namna fulani ambapo unaweza kuwapa watu zawadi hii ya muunganisho. Sasa, hii inaelekea eneo lingine kabisa, sawa, kwa sababu ikiwa uliangalia ...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Unaweza kuwa na wenzi wa ndoa wanaoteleza hayo kwenye vinywaji vya wenza wao.</p><p> DR. DOTY: [ <em>anacheka</em> ] Ndiyo, inawezekana. Lakini ni kweli inaleta hatua hii yote ya, sisi ni nani hasa, sawa?</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Ndiyo. Ndiyo, inafanya.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Na kisha, ni sawa au ni mbaya ikiwa tuna uwezo wa kubadilisha hiyo ...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Kuzirekebisha kwa njia hiyo, kibayolojia.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Ndiyo.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Wow.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli kabisa.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Hiyo inashangaza.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Na, kama unavyosema, ni sawa au si sawa kumbadilisha mwenzi wako jinsi wanavyotaka - unavyotaka wawe? [ <em>anacheka</em> ]</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Sawa. Lakini inaongeza uwezekano kwamba - wacha tuseme, katika miongo ijayo, katika karne hii, tutalazimishwa - kwa sababu ya wapi teknolojia na sayansi inatupeleka - kulazimika kuelezea maono ya hali ya kawaida ya mwanadamu, na kustawi kwa mwanadamu. Na ninahisi kama umejibu swali hili kwa njia nyingi katika kipindi hiki - cha mazungumzo yetu, lakini ninashangaa jinsi kazi hii unayofanya kila siku, na kile unachojifunza, kibinafsi, lakini pia kama mwanasayansi - je, hiyo inaendeleaje kupenyeza na kuunda njia unayopitia ulimwengu kila siku? Je, unaona njia thabiti ambazo zinaendelea kukubadilisha, au kukubadilisha tofauti?</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli, nadhani kuna mambo kadhaa. Nadhani moja ni kwamba, angalau, kile ninachojaribu kufanya, au kile nia yangu au matarajio yangu ni kuwashirikisha watu katika mtindo huu wa moyo wazi. 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Kumbuka, wakati mtu - na tunajua hii kutoka kwa sayansi - mtu anapoona mtu mwingine akijihusisha na tabia nzuri, wana uwezekano mkubwa wa kujihusisha na tabia hiyo mara nyingi zaidi. Wanapomwona mtu mwingine akitenda kwa wema, na ukarimu, na kwa shukrani...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Inaambukiza, sawa.</p><p> DR. DOTY: ... na wakati wewe ...</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Inaambukiza.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli kabisa.</p><p> MS. TIPPETT: Maambukizi chanya.</p><p> DR. DOTY: Kweli kabisa. Na kwa kweli, inaweza kuwa kinyume chake. Lakini katika muktadha wa chanya, inaweza kuambukiza. Na sijui hata mtu mmoja, kama angejua ana uwezo wa kutengeneza ugonjwa huo, asingetaka kufanya hivyo. Na nadhani kuwafanya watu waelewe - na hii, nadhani, imekuwa mada ya mazungumzo yetu yote - kwamba sio hali inayounda mwitikio wao wa kihemko. Ni wao. Na mara nyingi tunasahau hilo. Katika kesi yangu mwenyewe kama mtoto, mwingiliano huu na mwanamke huyu Ruth haukubadilisha hali yangu ya maisha. 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