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Slijedi Audiozapis I Transkript Intervjua Iz Emisije On Being , S Bratom Davidom Steindl-Rastom I Kristom Tippett
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Moramo priznati svoju tjeskobu. Ali ne smijemo se bojati. A zahvalnost je...</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Moramo priznati svoju tjeskobu, ali ne smijemo se bojati.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Ne strah. Postoji velika razlika. Vidite, tjeskoba ili tjeskobnost, biti tjeskoban, ova riječ dolazi od korijena koji znači "skučenost" i gušenje, a izvorna tjeskoba je naša tjeskoba pri rođenju. Svi dolazimo na ovaj svijet kroz ovaj vrlo neugodan proces rođenja, osim ako se slučajno ne rodite carskim rezom. To je zapravo borba na život i smrt i za majku i za dijete. I to je izvornik, prototip tjeskobe. U to vrijeme to činimo bez straha, jer je strah otpor protiv ove tjeskobe. Vidite? Ako pristanete na to, to vas dovodi do rođenja. Ako se oduprete, umirete u maternici. Ili vaša majka umire.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Dakle, anksioznost je — ne samo razumljiva, već i razumna reakcija na mnoga ljudska iskustva.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: To je razuman odgovor i trebamo ga priznati i potvrditi, jer je poricanje naše tjeskobe još jedan oblik otpora.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Tako je. I to je razumno, ali strah je zapravo taj trenutak otpora.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Ali strah uništava život.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: I to je potpuno drugačiji potez, i vodi nas, naša tijela, naše umove, u potpuno drugom smjeru.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Uništava ga, da. I zato se možemo osvrnuti na svoj život, ne samo na svoje rođenje, već na sve druge točke u kojima smo se našli u stvarno teškim situacijama i patili od tjeskobe. Tjeskoba nije opcionalna u životu. Ona je dio života. Dolazimo u život kroz tjeskobu. I gledamo je, sjećamo se i kažemo si, uspjeli smo. Prošli smo kroz to. Uspjeli smo. Zapravo, najgore tjeskobe i najgore teške točke u našem životu, često, godinama kasnije, kada se osvrnete na njih, otkrivaju se kao početak nečeg potpuno novog, potpuno novog života.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Tako je, tako je.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: I to nas može naučiti i to nam može dati hrabrost, također, sada kada razmišljamo o tome, da gledamo naprijed i kažemo, da, ovo je tijesna situacija. To je otprilike najtijesnija situacija u kojoj se svijet ikada našao, ili barem čovječanstvo. Ali, ako idemo s tim - a to će biti zahvalan život - ako idemo s tim, to će biti novo rođenje. A to je povjerenje u život. I ovo ići s tim znači da gledate, koja je prilika...</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Dakle, mislim da je za vas, ono što želite reći, zahvalnost jednako u prisutnosti u trenutku, ali i u viđenju prilike u trenutku. Iznad...</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Vidim priliku.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: ...trenutne okolnosti.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: I iskorištavate priliku.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: U redu. Dakle, vrlo je aktivno...</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Da.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Vrlo je aktivno.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: A to je vrlo teško jer nas tjeskoba na neki način paralizira. Vidite? Ali ono što nas zapravo paralizira je strah. Nije tjeskoba, već strah, jer se opire. U trenutku kada odustanemo od ovog otpora - i tako, sve ovisi o ovom povjerenju u život. Povjerenju. I s tim povjerenjem, s ovom vjerom, možemo ući u tu tjeskobu i reći, strašno je, osjeća se užasno. Ali možda - vjerujem da je to samo još jedno rođenje u veću puninu.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Rekli ste da je Bog smjer, a ne nešto.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Uputa. Da, ali ne bezlična uputa, razumijete?</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Mhm.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Postoji jedan divan stih kod Rilkea u kojem se moli Bogu. Znate njemački pa ću to prvo reći na njemačkom...</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: I ja volim Rilkea, kao i vi. Da, recite to na njemačkom, molim vas.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: On kaže: "Ich geh doch immer auf Dich zu, mit meinem ganzen Gehen. Denn wer bin ich und wer bist du, wenn wir uns nicht verstehn?" Pa kaže: "Sa svakim korakom koji napravim, idem prema tebi. Jer tko sam ja i tko si ti ako se ne razumijemo?" Vidjeti? To se govori o toj velikoj misteriji, ali kad kažem misterij, ne mislim na nešto nejasno, mislim na nešto vrlo jasno.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Pa, to nas vraća na osjećaj pripadnosti. To pripadanje koje je u srži...</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: To je upravo tu unutra. Idem k tebi, razumiješ? U trenutku kada ljudsko biće kaže „ja“, u tom trenutku ja sam postulirao „ti“. To znači da kažem „ja“ jer sam povezan s „ti“, tim tajanstvenim „ti“ koje je uvijek ovdje. I u tom smislu, ta misterija nije nešto bezlično.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Mm-hmm. To je relacijski.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: To je odnos — u konačnici se sve svodi na odnos.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Da. Također ste rekli, ovo mi je bilo jako zanimljivo - „Misticizam je iskustvo neograničenog pripadanja.“</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Da.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Taj misticizam - jer, opet, mislim da je to riječ - koristite riječ „misticizam“ u zapadnoj kulturi, a ljudi bi mogli pomisliti na nešto vrlo apstraktno i vrlo elitno.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Ne, ne. Vjerujem da je svatko od nas mistik jer s vremena na vrijeme, niotkuda, imamo to iskustvo pripadnosti, to - žene često kažu kada rode dijete, imaju ga, ili kada se zaljubimo, imamo taj osjećaj pripadnosti. Ili, ponekad, bez ikakvog posebnog razloga, odjednom se u prirodi osjećate jedno sa svime. I svako ljudsko biće to ima. Ali ono što mi nazivamo velikim misticima, oni dopuštaju da to iskustvo odredi i oblikuje svaki trenutak njihovog života. Nikada to nisu zaboravili. A mi ljudi, ostali od nas, skloni smo to zaboraviti. Jednostavno to zaboravimo. Ali ako to imamo na umu, onda smo stvarno povezani s tom velikom misterijom. I tada u tome možemo pronaći radost.</p><p> [ <em>glazba: “Fünf Klavierstücke, Op. 3: I. Andante” Richarda Straussa, izvodi Glenn Gould</em> ]</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Ja sam Krista Tippett, a ovo je <em>O bivanju</em> . Danas u samostanu Gut Aich u St. Gilgenu u Austriji, s fra Davidom Steindl-Rastom.</p><p> [ <em>glazba: “Fünf Klavierstücke, Op. 3: I. Andante” Richarda Straussa, izvodi Glenn Gould</em> ]</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Vrlo je smjelo to što kažete, da se svatko može nazvati mistikom. Taj misticizam za vas nije domena profesionalaca. Taj misticizam je nešto što je pravo svakog ljudskog bića stečeno rođenjem.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Da. Mistik nije posebno ljudsko biće. Svako ljudsko biće je posebna vrsta mistika. I nikada nisam bio u blizini te posebne vrste mistika kakav ti možeš biti, jer si jedinstven. Nikada nitko nije donio talente, ali i nedostatke koji mu također pripadaju. I to je vrlo blisko povezano s onim što mislim kada kažem "misterij". Nije nešto misteriozno kada kažem ovaj veliki misterij, ovaj božanski misterij s kojim se suočavamo.</p><p> A u iskustvu misticizma, to je nešto što ne možemo shvatiti. Vidite, ne možemo to izraziti riječima, ne možemo to zamisliti slikom, ne možemo to staviti u koncept. Ne možemo to shvatiti. Ali možemo to razumjeti. Postoji velika razlika između shvaćanja i razumijevanja. I razumijete to tako što ste shvaćeni. To vam nešto čini. I mnogi ljudi to doživljavaju na drugačijoj razini s glazbom. Razumijete glazbu, ali ne možete shvatiti glazbu. Ne možete. Što tu ima shvatiti?</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: I o tome se zapravo ne može razgovarati. Ne može se...</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Ne možeš čak ni govoriti o tome, jer nemaš riječi i pojmova. Ali možeš to razumjeti kada dopustiš da te obuzme i prepustiš se glazbi. I toj velikoj misteriji s - mogli biste je nazvati životom, ili Bogom, ili kako god - toj velikoj misteriji s kojom su sva ljudska bića uvijek suočena, i koju također ne možemo shvatiti, očito, ali možemo razumjeti dopuštajući joj da nam nešto učini. I ta otvorenost može biti potpuno tiha. Tiha otvorenost je prekrasan oblik molitve.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Jedan od načina - govorite o molitvi, također u kontekstu zahvalnosti, kao o bilo čemu što vam uzdiže srce, zar ne? To je način da se počne govoriti o iskustvu molitve.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Da. I ono što doživljavamo kada smo zahvalni jest da nam nešto uzdiže srce, ta radost koja je zahvalnost, a ta radost je molitva jer uzdiže naše srce. Što god uzdiže naše srce. I mi smo stvoreni za to.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Da, i rekli ste: „Ako je ribolov ono što vam uzdiže srce, onda je ribolov vaša molitva.“</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Da.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Ili dio vaše molitve. Znam da moram završiti. Pretpostavljam, možda, konačno - studirali ste psihologiju. I osjećam da ste vrlo svjesni koliko nam je instinktivno preispitivati zahvalnost. Možda je to istina u zapadnoj kulturi, zar ne? Preispitivati njezinu prikladnost ili njezinu čistoću, a također i sumnjati u motive drugih - postajemo vrlo komplicirani kada uđemo u ovaj teritorij zahvalnosti - i uskratiti zahvalnost drugima.</p><p> Govorite o hrabrosti da se spustimo u dubinu koju zahvalnost otvara. I pitam se biste li mogli reći malo više o tome, i možda kako ste to doživjeli, kako ste iskusili spust u tu dubinu.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Da. Kad govorim o dubini i tako dalje, to su sve samo slike, poetske slike koje se ne smiju...</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Ali mislim da je to vrlo magnetski jezik.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Da. Pa, poetski jezik ima veću moć od većine drugih jezika. Dakle, htjeli ste da budem osoban. Kad se suočim s nečim, na primjer, o čemu moram reći: „Bože, za ovo očito ne mogu biti zahvalan. I gdje u tome nalazim priliku?“ To je previše površno i moram progutati vlastite riječi.</p><p> Onda pustim sve ovo, sve ove misli i sve ovo - i samo pokušavam mirno sjediti. Kao da uzmeš cijeli ovaj paket stvari s kojima se ne voliš posebno baviti i baciš ih u jezero. I one padaju, i padaju, i padaju. A onda se jednostavno smiriš. I kada se dovoljno smiriš, to može dugo trajati, ili možda ne traje jako dugo, i možda neće biti u jednom sjedenju, može potrajati danima ili tjednima. Ali kada se dovoljno smiriš, onda se bez potrebe da nešto smišljaš, pojavi neki odgovor. To je najbolje što mogu reći. Ali nekako pronađemo put. Ovo bacanje u jezero je kao da nema otpora. Ne daješ...</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: U redu, dakle dopuštate...</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: ...nemoj osjećati.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: ...riješite se tog straha, tog impulsa...</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Oslobodite se straha.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: ...bojati se.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Samo to prihvatite. Ovu hrabrost, ovo tiho držanje, držanje i — to vodi do novog rođenja. Ne mogu to dokazati, ali vas mogu ohrabriti da pokušate, svi pokušajte. I mislim da ćete to i vi pronaći.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: U redu. Mislim da ljudi osjećaju, osjećaju da živimo u vrlo mračnom vremenu. Na čemu ste trenutno zahvalni u svijetu? Što vam daje nadu? Gdje vaša zahvalnost pronalazi obilno mjesto za slijetanje?</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Pa, jednu stvar sam već rekao, a to je na većoj skali, osvrćući se unatrag i videći da sva najteža iskustva uvijek vode do nečeg novog, pa čak i nečeg boljeg ako vjerujemo.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: Čak i kulturno, čak i geopolitički.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Na svakoj razini, na svakoj razini. Ali da bismo nastavili dalje, dovoljno je biti zahvalan na sljedećem dahu, jer se to ne smije uzimati zdravo za gotovo. Da mogu udahnuti još jednom. I ako pomislim na milijune ljudi koji imaju poteškoća s disanjem, a ovdje mogu disati. Samo da se toga sjetim. Samo budi zahvalan na sljedećem dahu.</p><p> GĐA. TIPPETT: U redu. Puno vam hvala.</p><p> BR. STEINDL-RAST: Nema na čemu.</p><p> GĐA. 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