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tell my wife and say, “Every fight is not your fight. Pace yourself.” And I would say it to the young people and others sometime, “Don’t get in a hurry. Our struggle is not a struggle that lasts for one day, one week, one month or one year or one lifetime. It is an ongoing struggle.”</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>So, patience — right, yeah.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>And in the speech of the March on Washington, I had a lot of rhetoric and, in the end, I knew within my own soul that it was going to be a long haul and I believe that. But you don’t change the world, the society, in a few days, and it’s better. It is better to be a pilot light than to be a firecracker <em>[laughs]</em>.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>Right.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>Because if you’re a pilot light, you’re going to be around. A firecracker coming along in you, just go off. You’re here one moment and you’re gone in the next moment.</p> <p>[<em>music: “Po’ Pilgrim of Sorrow” by James Horner & Sweet Honey in the Rock</em>]</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>I’m Krista Tippett and this is <em>On Being</em>. Today remembering congressman and civil rights legend John Lewis who died last week. I had the great honor of speaking with him in Montgomery, Alabama in 2013 — as part of a cross-partisan congressional civil rights pilgrimage which he led for many years.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>Do you hear me? Although it’s a creative tension here, it’s a line you’re walking.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>Yes.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>And it sounds like when I read the history of the movement, you and others walk back and forth across that line all the time. But it was that keeping, as you say, the pacing, the somehow always being able to pull back and see the long haul, I suppose. It’s that stance, it’s that attitude.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>But we wanted to end discrimination now. We wanted people to be able to register and vote now. And we had a slogan called “Freedom Now.” But to hand a sort of revolutionary effect, it was going to take much longer when you’re able to change the minds and hearts and souls of people.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>How do those experiences, those values that you learned, flow into your life in politics in our time?</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>Well, I think today I’m a much better person and much better human being. Sometime when I’m sitting on the floor of the House or in a committee meeting, I feel like sometime saying, you know, I passed this way once before. You know, if I was back in Nashville or in Georgia on a protest or maybe on the freedom ride, what would we do? What would Martin Luther King Jr. say? What would Gandhi do? So you cannot give up on certain basic principles and basic teachings.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>I don’t think anybody would accuse the Congress right now of being a beloved community.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>Well, I think we have some distance away from becoming the beloved community, but I will not give up on Congress. And it’s my hope that, when members of Congress come on trips and journey and a pilgrimage, that they will learn something, that it will grow and will become better members and better human beings.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>You know, some of the radical aspects of this nonviolence tradition that you were steeped in, that you now bring to your life as a congressman — here’s something I read in your book, that after the firebombing of the Birmingham church in which four little girls were killed, where I was privileged to be with you this weekend, Reverend King said, “At times, life is hard, as hard as crucible steel. … In spite of the darkness of this hour, we must not lose faith in our white brothers.” You know, that very demanding notion not just of having faith in yourself or faith in your movement, but faith in your enemies.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>You have to believe and you can never, ever, give up on any possibility. It’s part of it, as I said, from the beginning. It’s already done. You just have to find a way to make it real.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>I remember when you write about being a student and being exposed to the world of philosophy and theology and reading about the notion of the dialectic and thinking about segregation as a thesis and the fight against desegregation as the antithesis and integration as the synthesis, the end. I wonder how you see that now, because does the dialectic start all over and what …</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>Well, I don’t think it necessary to start all over again. But I had a wonderful teacher when I was at American Baptist College. His name was John Lewis Powell, and he would start discussing this idea of the thesis and the antithesis and the synthesis, and he would run around the blackboard writing and jumping.</p> <p>That’s what the struggle has been all about, to bring these competing forces together, bring human beings together, and create a sense of community, to create this sense of family, that out of the good — the good is already there. The love is there. How do you make it real? How do you paint the picture? It’s like an artist using a canvas. How do you get people to move from maybe A to B and you get C? Or from one to two and get three? That you’re on a path and you have to be consistent and you have to be persistent.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>And patient.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>And patient.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>Right.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>And it’s all about being faithful, being honest, being open.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>It’s so clear with every accomplishment of humanity and certainly with the civil rights movement that so much important change, good change, happened and yet there’s still much more work to do. Unforeseen complications appear, setbacks appear, that even all the best things we do remain imperfect and incomplete. How do you think about that and about where the movement is in terms of your faith?</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>Well, I think about it, but you have to believe there may be setbacks, there may be some disappointments, there may be some interruption. But, again, you have to take the long, hard look. With this belief, it’s going to be OK; it’s going to work out. If it failed to happen during your lifetime, then maybe, not maybe, but it would happen in somebody’s lifetime. But you must do all that you can do while you occupy this space during your time. And sometimes I feel that I’m not doing enough to try to inspire another generation of people to find a way to get in the way, to make trouble, good trouble. I just make a little noise.</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>I think you embody the things that you speak and that we watch you as much as hear you. You move your feet<em> [laughs]</em>. So, John Lewis, I want to thank you so much for the life you’ve lived and for this conversation we’ve been able to have with you this afternoon.</p> <p><b>Lewis:</b>Well, thank you very much. I enjoyed it. Thank you.</p> <p>[<em>music: “I’m Gonna Live the Life I Sing About” by R.L. Knowles</em>]</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>John Lewis died in Atlanta, Georgia on July 17, 2020, at the age of 80. He was a Democratic congressman from Georgia’s 5th district. He was the author of several tremendous books, <em>Walking with the Wind: A Memoir of the Movement</em>, <em>Across That Bridge,</em> and a three-part graphic novel series, <em>March</em>.</p> <p>[<em>music: “I’m Gonna Live the Life I Sing About” by R.L. Knowles</em>]</p> <p><b>Tippett:</b>Special thanks this week to Brenda Jones in congressman Lewis’s office; Gwen Haynes; Jeremy Burns; Burns Strider; and Liz McClosky, Doug Tanner and all the other great people at the Faith and Politics Institute.</p> <p>[<em>music: “new music” by Mavis Staples</em>]</p> <p>The On Being Project is Chris Heagle, Lily Percy, Laurén Dørdal, Erin Colasacco, Kristin Lin, Eddie Gonzalez, Lilian Vo, Lucas Johnson, Suzette Burley, Zack Rose, Serri Graslie, Colleen Scheck, Christiane Wartell, Julie Siple, Gretchen Honnold, and Jhaleh Akhavan</p> <p>The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zoë Keating. 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A truly great man, and one for us to keep listening to and looking up to.</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2678/-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-304665801-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=9051#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="9051" data-cmt-author="martina"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment-item" id="cmt_9048"> <div class="comment-container"> <div class="comment-avatar"> <img src="https://pod.servicespace.org/pics/mem/blank.jpg" alt="User avatar"> </div> <div class="comment-content-wrapper"> <div class="comment-meta"> <span class="comment-author">Kristin Pedemonti</span> <span class="comment-date">Feb 1, 2021</span> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2678/-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-304665801-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=9048" class="ms-auto link-icon text-muted"><i class='fa fa-link'></i></a> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <p>To love like John Lewis did is extraordinary and deeply needed as we continue to march onward, and I can only begin to imagine the deep frustration, sorrow at how very far we've still to go. 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