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Povedal by som svojej žene a povedal: "Každý boj nie je tvoj boj. Drž sa." A povedal by som to niekedy mladým ľuďom a ostatným: "Neponáhľajte sa. Náš boj nie je bojom, ktorý trvá jeden deň, týždeň, mesiac, rok alebo celý život. Je to neustály boj."</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Takže trpezlivosť – áno, áno.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> A v prejave z Pochodu vo Washingtone som mal veľa rétoriky a nakoniec som vo vlastnej duši vedel, že to bude beh na dlhú trať a tomu verím. Ale svet, spoločnosť nezmeníte za pár dní a je to lepšie. Je lepšie byť pilotom ako petardou <em>[smiech]</em> .</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Správne.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Pretože ak ste pilot, budete tu. Prichádza do teba petarda, len zhasni. V jeden moment si tu a v ďalšom momente si preč.</p><p> [ <em>hudba: „Po' Pilgrim of Sorrow“ od Jamesa Hornera a Sweet Honey in the Rock</em> ]</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Som Krista Tippett a toto je <em>On Being</em> . Dnes si pripomíname kongresmana a legendu občianskych práv Johna Lewisa, ktorý zomrel minulý týždeň. Mal som tú česť hovoriť s ním v Montgomery v Alabame v roku 2013 – ako súčasť medzipartizánskej kongresovej púte za občianske práva, ktorú viedol mnoho rokov.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Počuješ ma? Hoci tu ide o tvorivé napätie, ide o líniu, po ktorej kráčate.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Áno.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> A znie to tak, že keď čítam históriu hnutia, vy a iní neustále chodíte tam a späť cez túto čiaru. Ale bolo to tým, že sa, ako hovoríte, udržujte v tempe, myslím, že sa akosi vždy dokážem stiahnuť a vidieť dlhú cestu. To je ten postoj, to je ten postoj.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Ale chceli sme teraz ukončiť diskrimináciu. Chceli sme, aby sa ľudia mohli zaregistrovať a hlasovať už teraz. A mali sme slogan s názvom „Sloboda teraz“. Ale dosiahnuť akýsi revolučný efekt, bude to trvať oveľa dlhšie, keď dokážete zmeniť myslenie, srdcia a duše ľudí.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Ako tie skúsenosti, tie hodnoty, ktoré ste sa naučili, prúdia do vášho života v politike v našej dobe?</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Myslím si, že dnes som oveľa lepší človek a oveľa lepšia ľudská bytosť. Niekedy, keď sedím na pôde parlamentu alebo na schôdzi výboru, mám chuť si niekedy povedať, viete, už som tu raz prešiel. Viete, keby som bol späť v Nashville alebo v Georgii na proteste alebo možno na jazde za slobodu, čo by sme robili? Čo by na to povedal Martin Luther King Jr. Čo by urobil Gándhí? Takže sa nemôžete vzdať určitých základných princípov a základných učení.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Nemyslím si, že by teraz niekto obvinil Kongres, že je milovanou komunitou.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Myslím si, že od toho, aby sme sa stali milovanou komunitou, máme ešte kus cesty, ale Kongresu sa nevzdám. A dúfam, že keď členovia Kongresu prídu na výlety, cesty a púť, že sa niečo naučia, že bude rásť a stanú sa lepšími členmi a lepšími ľudskými bytosťami.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Viete, niektoré z radikálnych aspektov tejto tradície nenásilia, do ktorých ste boli ponorení, a ktoré teraz prinášate do svojho života ako kongresman – tu je niečo, čo som čítal vo vašej knihe, že po bombardovaní birminghamského kostola, v ktorom boli zabité štyri malé dievčatá, kde som mal tú česť byť s vami tento víkend, reverend King povedal: „V časoch tvrdej ocele je život tvrdý ako tma... hodinu, nesmieme stratiť vieru v našich bielych bratov.“ Viete, tá veľmi náročná predstava nielen viery v seba samého alebo viery vo svoje hnutie, ale aj viery vo svojich nepriateľov.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Musíte veriť a nikdy sa nemôžete vzdať akejkoľvek možnosti. Je to súčasťou, ako som povedal, od začiatku. Už je to hotové. Musíte len nájsť spôsob, ako to urobiť skutočným.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Pamätám si, keď píšeš o tom, že si študent a že si vystavený svetu filozofie a teológie a čítaš o pojme dialektika a rozmýšľaš o segregácii ako téze a boji proti desegregácii ako protiklade a integrácii ako syntéze, konci. Zaujímalo by ma, ako to teraz vidíte, pretože dialektika začína odznova a čo...</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Nemyslím si, že je potrebné začínať odznova. Ale mal som úžasného učiteľa, keď som bol na American Baptist College. Volal sa John Lewis Powell a začal diskutovať o tejto myšlienke tézy, antitézy a syntézy, pobehoval okolo tabule a písal a skákal.</p><p> To je to, o čom bol celý zápas, spojiť tieto súperiace sily, spojiť ľudské bytosti a vytvoriť zmysel pre spoločenstvo, vytvoriť tento zmysel pre rodinu, že z dobra – dobro už existuje. Láska je tam. Ako to urobiť reálne? Ako maľujete obrázok? Je to ako keď umelec používa plátno. Ako prinútite ľudí, aby sa presunuli z bodu A do bodu B a vy dostanete C? Alebo z jednej do dvoch a dostať tri? Že ste na ceste a musíte byť dôslední a musíte byť vytrvalí.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> A trpezlivý.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> A trpezlivý.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Správne.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> A je to všetko o vernosti, úprimnosti a otvorenosti.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> S každým úspechom ľudstva a určite aj s hnutím za občianske práva je jasné, že sa udialo toľko dôležitých zmien, dobrých zmien, a napriek tomu je pred nami ešte veľa práce. Objavujú sa nepredvídané komplikácie, objavujú sa neúspechy, že aj tie najlepšie veci, ktoré robíme, zostávajú nedokonalé a neúplné. Ako o tom uvažujete a o tom, kde je pohyb z hľadiska vašej viery?</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> No, premýšľam o tom, ale musíte veriť, že môžu nastať neúspechy, môžu nastať nejaké sklamania, môže dôjsť k nejakému prerušeniu. Ale znova, musíte sa na to dlho a tvrdo pozerať. S týmto presvedčením to bude v poriadku; ono to vyjde. Ak sa to nepodarilo počas vášho života, potom možno, nie možno, ale stalo by sa to v niekom živote. Ale musíte urobiť všetko, čo môžete urobiť, keď zaberáte tento priestor počas svojho času. A niekedy mám pocit, že nerobím dosť pre to, aby som sa snažil inšpirovať ďalšiu generáciu ľudí, aby našli spôsob, ako sa dostať do cesty, robiť problémy, dobré problémy. Len robím malý hluk.</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Myslím, že stelesňujete veci, ktorými hovoríte a ktoré vás rovnako pozorujeme, ako aj počujeme. Pohybujete nohami <em>[smiech]</em> . Takže, John Lewis, chcem ti veľmi pekne poďakovať za život, ktorý si žil, a za tento rozhovor, ktorý sme s tebou mohli mať dnes popoludní.</p><p> <b>Lewis:</b> Ďakujem veľmi pekne. bavilo ma to. dakujem.</p><p> [ <em>hudba: „Budem žiť život, o ktorom spievam“ od RL Knowles</em> ]</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> John Lewis zomrel v Atlante v štáte Georgia 17. júla 2020 vo veku 80 rokov. Bol to demokratický kongresman z 5. okresu Georgia. Bol autorom niekoľkých úžasných kníh <em>Walking with the Wind: A Memoir of the Movement</em> , <em>Across That Bridge</em> a trojdielnej série grafických románov <em>March</em> .</p><p> [ <em>hudba: „Budem žiť život, o ktorom spievam“ od RL Knowles</em> ]</p><p> <b>Tippett:</b> Špeciálne poďakovanie tento týždeň patrí Brende Jonesovej v kancelárii kongresmana Lewisa; Gwen Haynes; Jeremy Burns; Burns Strider; a Liz McClosky, Doug Tanner a všetci ostatní skvelí ľudia z Inštitútu viery a politiky.</p><p> [ <em>hudba: „nová hudba“ od Mavis Staples</em> ]</p><p> The On Being Project sú Chris Heagle, Lily Percy, Laurén Dørdal, Erin Colasacco, Kristin Lin, Eddie Gonzalez, Lilian Vo, Lucas Johnson, Suzette Burley, Zack Rose, Serri Graslie, Colleen Scheck, Christiane Wartell, Julie Siple, Gretchen Honnold a Jhaleh Akhavan</p><p> Projekt On Being sa nachádza na území Dakoty. Našu krásnu tematickú hudbu poskytuje a zložila Zoë Keating. 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A truly great man, and one for us to keep listening to and looking up to.</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2678/-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-304665801-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-am-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=9051#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="9051" data-cmt-author="martina"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment-item" id="cmt_9048"> <div class="comment-container"> <div class="comment-avatar"> <img src="https://pod.servicespace.org/pics/mem/blank.jpg" alt="User avatar"> </div> <div class="comment-content-wrapper"> <div class="comment-meta"> <span class="comment-author">Kristin Pedemonti</span> <span class="comment-date">Feb 1, 2021</span> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/2678/-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-300-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-player-url-https-3a-api-soundcloud-com-tracks-304665801-and-color-23ff5500-and-auto-play-false-and-hide-related-false-and-show-comments-true-and-show-user-true-and-am-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=9048" class="ms-auto link-icon text-muted"><i class='fa fa-link'></i></a> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <p>To love like John Lewis did is extraordinary and deeply needed as we continue to march onward, and I can only begin to imagine the deep frustration, sorrow at how very far we've still to go. 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