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perm_post"> Istorio honen zati lotsagarria da nik hau sinetsi nuela. Hurrengo 15 urteetan, ez nuen inoiz ondorio hau zalantzan jarri. Uste dut objektibotasun zientifiko handiegiak itsu bihur zaitzakeela.</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Zer iruditzen zaizu orain?</p><p> REMEN DR.: Uste dut misterioarekin izan dudan topaketarik puruenetako bat izan dela nire bizitzan. Nor garen, zer den posible guretzat, nola funtzionatzen duen mundu honek benetan galdetzera eramaten nau. Ez daukat erantzunik, baina galdera asko ditut, eta galdera horiek lagundu didate aurki nezakeen edozein erantzunek baino hobeto bizitzen.</p><p> [ <em>musika: Tvärvägen-en “Hem”</em> ]</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Krista Tippett naiz eta hau <em>Izateari Buruz</em> da. Gaur Rachel Naomi Remen doktorearekin.</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Medikuekin lan egiteari buruz idazten duzunean interesgarria iruditu zait zerbait: galerarekin eroso sentiarazten saiatzen zara eta hori beren lanaren, bizitzaren eta lan-bizitzaren parte gisa ulertzen saiatzen zara. Baina, berriro ere, medikuei buruz ari zara, baina galerari buruz gainerako guztioi aplikatzen zaizkigun behaketa interesgarriak egiten dituzu. Esadazu zer ikasi duzun galerari buruz.</p><p> REMEN DR.: Beno, orain bost orduko bat hasiko dugu… [ <em>barreak</em> ] Txikiagoa, Krista, egin ezazu txikiagoa. [ <em>barreak</em> ]</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Beno, orduan. Hona hemen idatzi dudan esaldia: «Galerari aurre egiteko moduak bizitzan egoteko dugun gaitasuna moldatzen du beste edozerk baino gehiago. Galeratik babesteko modua izan daiteke bizitzatik urruntzeko dugun modua».</p><p> REMEN DR.: Uste dut hau guztiz zuzena dela.</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Pentsamendu harrigarria da hori, benetan.</p><p> REMEN DR.: Uste dut zuzen dagoela. Nik ere uste dut inor ez dela eroso sentitzen galerarekin. Kultura teknologikoa garenez, galeraren aurrean dugun lehen nahia edo erantzuna konpontzen saiatzea da. Konpondu ezin daitekeen galera baten aurrean gaudenean, hau da, galera asko, babesgabe eta deseroso sentitzen gara eta ihes egiteko joera dugu, emozionalki edo benetan urrunduz. Eta konpontzea estrategia txikiegia da galerari aurre egiteko. Ikasleei irakasten dieguna oso gauza sinplea da.</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Medikuntzako ikasleak?</p><p> REMEN DR.: Bai. Beren presentziaren indarra irakasten diegu, bertan egotearen eta beste pertsona bat entzutearen eta lekuko izatearen eta beste pertsona baten galeraz arduratzearen indarra, garrantzia emanez. Sei ordu ematen ditugu galerari buruz, bi hiru orduko saio, eta ikasleek oso argibide sinplea dute, hau da, beren bizitzako galera istorio bat gogoratzeko eskatzen zaie, eta galera — beste era batera esanda — gauzak beren nahietara joan ez ziren garaia, etsita zeudenean, amets bat edo harreman bat edo baita senide bat ere galdu zutenean, heriotza bat.</p><p> Hori aukera dezakete, eta gero sei ordu ematen dituzte talde txikietan beren galerari buruz hitz egiten. Eta taldeak argibide bat du: Entzun eskuzabal. Orain, ariketa honen aurretik, beste ariketa bat egiten dugu eurekin, non etsipen eta galera garai bat gogoratzeko eta lagundu zien norbait gogoratzeko eskatzen diegun. Zer egin zuen pertsona horrek? Zer esan zuen? Zein mezu eman zien lagungarri izan zitzaien bizitzako garai zailean? Eta gauza horiek oso zehatz idazten dituzte. Ondoren, beren bizitzako galera garai bat gogoratzeko eta lagundu nahi izan zien baina laguntzarik izan ez zien norbait gogoratzeko eskatzen diegu. Zer egin eta esan zuen pertsona horrek, eta zein mezu eman zuen, eta nola eman zuen mezua? Eta hori idazten dute.</p><p> Eta gero zerrenda handi bat egiten dugu. «Zer lagundu zidaten gauza guztiek?». «Hitz egiteko behar nuen denbora guztian entzun zidaten». «Nire galeraren ondoren, nire galeraren aurretik bezala hitz egin zidaten». «Nirekin eseri ziren». «Ukitu egin ninduten». «Janaria ekarri zidaten». Zer ez zidaten lagundu? «Aholkuak eman zizkidaten istorio osoa jakin gabe». «Galera nire errua izan zela sentiarazi zidaten». Beraz, ehun ikasle eta irakasle inguruko talde batetik galerak sendatzen laguntzen duenari buruzko jakinduria biltzen dugu, eta dena oso gauza sinplea da. Eta argibide bakarra hau da: Entzun eskuzabal.</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Berriz ere, gizakien bizitzetan istorioek duten botereaz hitz egiten hasi gineneko garaira garamatza, eta zure analogiara, istorioak gure bizitzei buruzko gertakarien hezurrei ematen diegun haragia direla. Uste dut oso indartsua dela egitate ageriko honetan pentsatzea, baina berriro ere, oso maiz aipatzen ez ditugun egitate ageriko horietako bat, galera ez dela heriotza katastrofikoa soilik. Gure bizitzetan galera mota asko daude etengabe, eta gero, aurkezten duzun ideia harrigarri honek, galera horiei aurre egiteko moduak, handiak zein txikiak, benetan lagun dezake edo oztopatu dezake gure bizitzaren gainerakoari aurre egiteko moduan, dugunarekin. Ez bakarrik galdu dugunarekin.</p><p> REMEN DR.: Hala uste dut. Benetan uste dut. Nola esan dezaket hau? Jende gehienak bere bizitzaren parte ez den gauzari heltzen saiatzen da, eta horrela gelditzen dira beren bizitzan. Galera prozesu bateko etapa gisa ikusten hasi naiz. Ez da azken puntua. Ez da istorioaren amaiera. Ondoren gertatzen dena oso-oso garrantzitsua da. Eta jendeak modu ezberdinetan erantzuten die galerei. Lehen aldiz gaixotu nintzenean, amorratuta nengoen. Gorroto nituen osasuntsu zeuden guztiak. Biktima nintzela sentitzen nuen eta hau bidegabea zen. 10 urte inguru egon nintzen haserre. Uste dut haserre hori guztia nire bizitzeko nahia zela, modu oso negatiboan adierazita.</p><p> Jendea askotan haserre egoten da galera ikaragarri baten testuinguruan. Askotan inbidia sentitzen dute beste pertsonenganako, eta hori abiapuntu bat da. Baina denborarekin gauzak eboluzionatu eta aldatu egiten dira. Eta gutxienez, gauza asko galdu dituzten pertsonek aitortu dezakete ez direla biktimak, bizirik atera direla. Iraganean, agian, haientzat imajinaezina zen zerbait gainditzeko indarra aurkitu duten pertsonak dira. Eta galdera hori jendeari egitea besterik ez: "Galera oso sakona jasan duzu. Zeri eskatu diozu indarra lortzeko?" Jende gehienak ez du bere indarraz ohartu ere egiten. Beren minean guztiz zentratuta daude.</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Haien galerari buruz.</p><p> REMEN DR.: Haien minari buruz. Eta ez al da hori naturala, Krista?</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Zure idazki osoan zehar badago zerbait oso itxaropentsua, galerari eta gizaki izatearen alde gogor eta ilunari buruzkoa denean ere. Alegia, azpimarratzen duzu —eta ez nago ziur psikiatria modernoak horretan azpimarratzen duenik— osotasuna guztiontzat lor daitekeela, jendeari iristen zaiola ikusten duzula, eta batzuetan krisian dauden pertsonei ere iristen zaiela. Osotasuna ez dela inoiz galtzen diozu, ahaztu besterik ez dela egiten.</p><p> REMEN DR.: Osotasunak gure zauri guztiak barne hartzen ditu. Gure ahultasun guztiak barne hartzen ditu. Gure benetako nia da, eta ez ditu gure zauriak edo gure ahultasunak epaitzen. Besterik gabe, esaten du: "Hau da elkarri konektatzeko modua". Askotan gure zaurien bidez konektatzen gara, lortu dugun jakinduriaren bidez, gertatu zaigun hazkundearen bidez. Zaurituak izan garenez, beste pertsonei laguntzeko aukera ematen digu. Beraz, ez da epaiketa moral bat. Osotasunak egia dena esan nahi du, zure baitan egia handiena duen lekutik bizitzea. Eta egia hori ere beti eboluzionatzen ari da.</p><p> [ <em>musika: “Dawn” Jacob Montague-rena</em> ]</p><p> TIPPETT ANDEREA: Rachel Naomi Remen Osasun eta Gaixotasunen Ikerketarako Remen Institutuaren sortzailea da, UCSF Medikuntza Fakultateko familia-medikuntzako irakasle klinikoa eta Wright State Unibertsitateko Boonshoft Medikuntza Fakultateko familia-medikuntzako irakaslea. 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