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<div class="story-meta-left"> <div class="story-logo"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org"> <img alt="DailyGood" src="https://www.karunanews.org/pics/90x90.jpg"> </a> </div> <div class="story-meta-info"> <div class="story-author">By <a href="/author?name=Pico%20Iyer">Pico Iyer</a></div> <div class="story-details"> <span class="story-date">Jul 10, 2015</span> <span class="story-read-time">14 min read</span> </div> <div class="story-source">Source: <a href="http://www.onbeing.org/program/transcript/7635" target="_blank">onbeing.org</a></div> </div> </div>  <div class="story-meta-right">  <div class="utility-buttons"> <div class="dropdown"> <button class="utility-btn translate-btn dropdown-toggle py-1" type="button" id="translationDropdown" data-bs-toggle="dropdown" aria-expanded="false"> <i class="fa fa-language me-2" aria-hidden="true"></i>Swahili </button> <ul class="dropdown-menu dropdown-menu-end translation-dropdown" aria-labelledby="translationDropdown" style="max-height: 400px; 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Hiyo ndiyo tafsiri yetu ya furaha. Na watu wachache sana huhisi furaha kukimbia kutoka kwa maandishi moja hadi nyingine hadi miadi ya simu ya rununu hadi barua pepe. Ikiwa watu wanafurahi kama hivyo, hiyo ni nzuri. Lakini nadhani wengi wetu tumenaswa katika mzunguko huu ambao hatujui jinsi ya kuacha na hautuendelei kwa undani zaidi. Na nadhani sote tunajua maisha yetu ya nje ni mazuri tu kama maisha yetu ya ndani. Kwa hivyo kupuuza maisha yetu ya ndani ni kweli kudhoofisha maisha yetu ya nje. Hatuna mengi ya kuwapa watu wengine au ulimwengu au kazi yetu au watoto wetu.</p><p> [muziki: "Twinkle" na Victor Malloy]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Unaweza kusikiliza tena na kushiriki mazungumzo haya na Pico Iyer kupitia tovuti yetu, onbeing.org.</p><p> Mimi ni Krista Tippett. On Being inaendelea baada ya muda mfupi.</p><p> [muziki: "Twinkle" na Victor Malloy]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Mimi ni Krista Tippett na hii ni On Being. Leo tunachunguza "sanaa ya utulivu" na mwandishi wa insha, mwandishi wa riwaya, na mwandishi wa kusafiri Pico Iyer. Alianza kazi yake kama mwandishi wa habari na jarida la Time. Sasa anaishi katika nyumba ya kawaida, tulivu, karibu isiyo na teknolojia huko Japani. Ameandika vitabu vingi na bado mara nyingi hupatikana katika kurasa za machapisho kama The New York Times na Harpers. Lakini pia anarudi nyuma mara nyingi kila mwaka kwa hermitage ya Benedictine huko Big Sur, California. Yeye ni mmoja wa wafasiri wetu mahiri wa uvumbuzi wa maisha ya ndani wa Karne ya 21.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Unajua, jambo moja la kupendeza ambalo umesema kuhusu kuishi Japani, kwa kweli, ni kwamba limekufanya ufahamu kuhusu wakati kwa njia mpya. Sasa, na tena, nataka kurudi kwa sababu, si kweli - kwa hivyo katika miaka yako ya 20 uliacha maisha yako yenye mafanikio makubwa, ya kusisimua huko New York, na wewe - nadhani uliondoka ili kuishi kwa mwaka katika hekalu huko Kyoto, lakini haukuishia kukaa kwa mwaka mmoja. Je, hiyo ni sawa?</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Sawa kabisa. [anacheka] Nilikaa kwa wiki moja, wakati ambao nilipata hekalu huko Kyoto ni tofauti sana na nilivyofikiria katikati ya jiji la Manhattan. Lakini nilihamia kwenye chumba kimoja kwenye mitaa ya nyuma ya Kyoto bila hata choo au simu au kitanda.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Oh, sawa. Sawa basi. Umesamehewa. [anacheka] Lakini umeandika hivyo - kwa hivyo niambie ulichojifunza kuhusu wakati, na labda hii bado ni kweli, kwa sababu ulitumia muda mwingi wa maisha yako huko Japani. Nimeshangazwa sana kwa sababu nadhani wakati ni dhana ya kuvutia sana, na ina sauti hii yote katika sayansi na ufahamu na - hata hivyo. Hivyo…</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Ndiyo. Na nadhani sote tunajua mhemko huo. Tuna vifaa vingi vya kuokoa muda lakini muda mfupi zaidi, inaonekana kwetu.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Ndio.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Na nadhani nilipokuwa mvulana, hali ya anasa ilihusiana na nafasi nyingi, labda kuwa na nyumba kubwa au gari kubwa. Sasa nadhani anasa inahusiana na kuwa na wakati mwingi. Anasa kuu sasa inaweza kuwa nafasi tupu kwenye kalenda.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Kweli kabisa. Hivyo kweli.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Na cha kufurahisha vya kutosha, ndivyo tunavyotamani, nadhani, wengi wetu. Kwa hivyo nilipohama kutoka New York City hadi Japani ya mashambani - kwa hivyo baada ya mwaka wangu huko Kyoto, kimsingi nilihamia kwenye nyumba ya vyumba viwili, ambayo bado ninaishi na mke wangu na, rasmi, watoto wetu wawili. Na hatuna gari au baiskeli au TV naweza kuelewa ni rahisi sana, lakini inahisi anasa sana.</p><p> Na sababu moja ni kwamba ninapoamka, inaonekana kana kwamba siku nzima iko mbele yangu kama mbuga kubwa, ambayo si mhemko niliokuwa nao nilipokuwa katika jiji la New York. Na ninaweza kutumia saa tano kwenye dawati langu. Na kisha ninaweza kutembea. Na kisha ninaweza kutumia saa moja kusoma kitabu ambacho, ninaposoma, naweza kujisikia mwenyewe, ningesema, kupata zaidi na makini zaidi na nuance zaidi. Ni kama mazungumzo mazuri. Kisha nina nafasi ya kuzunguka eneo lingine, na kutunza barua pepe zangu na kuwazuia wakubwa wangu, na kisha kwenda kucheza ping pong, na kisha kutumia jioni na mke wangu. Na inaonekana kana kwamba siku ina saa elfu moja, na ndivyo hasa huwa sipendi uzoefu au kuhisi ninapokuwa, kwa mfano, leo huko Los Angeles na kuhama kutoka mahali hadi mahali. Na nadhani ni biashara ya mbali. Kwa hiyo niliachana na usalama wa kifedha, na nikaachana na misisimko ya jiji kubwa. Lakini niliona inafaa ili kuwa na vitu viwili, uhuru na wakati. Na anasa kubwa ninayofurahia ninapokuwa Japani ni, mara tu ninapofika huko, navua saa yangu, na ninahisi sihitaji kuivaa tena. Na hivi karibuni ninaweza kuanza kueleza wakati kwa jinsi mwanga unavyoteleza kutoka kwa kuta zetu wakati wa mawio ya jua na wakati giza linapoingia, na nadhani kurudi kwenye maisha muhimu zaidi ya mwanadamu.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Na hiyo ni kuhusu maisha ambayo umeunda badala ya kitu katika utamaduni wa Kijapani, sivyo?</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Ni, lakini bila shaka, nilipoondoka New York City, ningeweza kwenda popote. Na kama mwandishi, nina bahati. Ningeweza kufanya kazi yangu popote. Na nadhani sababu moja ya mimi kwenda Japani - inarudi kwa kile ulichokuwa unauliza kuhusu taasisi za mashaka ya juu - ni kwamba elimu yangu ilinifundisha vizuri kuzungumza, lakini sidhani kama ilinifundisha kusikiliza. Na shule zangu zilikuwa zimenifundisha vizuri namna ya kujisukuma mbele zaidi ulimwenguni, lakini haikunifundisha kujifuta. Na fadhila za nilipofika Japani, nikipata kwamba sikuwa nasoma. Siwezi kusoma - siwezi - hadi leo, siwezi kusoma au kuandika Kijapani. Na mimi niko kwenye huruma ya vitu vinavyonizunguka. Siwezi kuwa na udanganyifu kwamba niko juu ya mambo. Japani ilikuwa mahali ambapo nilikuwa na kiasi kikubwa cha kujifunza kutoka, na bado ninajifunza.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Umezungumza kuhusu kwamba tunagundua tena - napenda sana kifungu hiki - "haraka ya kupunguza kasi." Hiyo ni ajabu.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Asante. Naam, nadhani sote tunasikia kizunguzungu.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Ndio.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Tulipanda kwenye roller coaster hii inayoongeza kasi ambayo hatukuwahi kuuliza kabisa kupanda, na hatujui jinsi ya kushuka. Na nadhani akili yangu kuu ni kwamba vifaa vyetu havitaondoka, wala hatungetaka viondoke. Wamefanya maisha yetu kuwa angavu zaidi na yenye afya na marefu zaidi. Lakini ni dau salama kwamba wataongeza tu na kuongezeka. Na tutalazimika kuchukua hatua za dharura ili tu kujiweka katika uwiano na usawa.</p><p> Na kwa hivyo wakati mwingine mimi hufikiria kuwa kusafiri ndio jinsi ninavyopata msisimko na msisimko wangu, lakini utulivu ndio jinsi ninavyojiweka sawa. Unajua, Pascal, ajabu, katika karne ya 17 alisema tatizo letu ni kuvuruga, lakini tunajaribu kujizuia kutoka kwa vikwazo. Kwa hivyo tunazidi kuwa mbaya zaidi katika mzunguko huu mbaya. Kwa hivyo dawa pekee ya usumbufu ni umakini. Na mimi huenda kwenye nyumba yangu ya watawa, na ninaenda Japani kwa sababu ni makanisa ya tahadhari. Na ni mahali ambapo watu huwa wasikivu sana na ambapo watu kama mimi wanaweza kujaribu kujifunza usikivu.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Unajua, na sikuweza kujizuia kushangaa ninapokusoma na kusoma kuhusu maisha uliyounda, umechagua urahisi ambao - nadhani hata unatumia neno "anasa." Na unazungumza juu ya kuwa na Leonard Cohen na anatumia neno "anasa," kwa hivyo - unajua, na tofauti na wewe ukiwa na miaka 29, unaishi ndoto ya Amerika. Lakini pia, sikuweza kujizuia kujiuliza ni kiasi gani cha yale ambayo umeweza kuchagua na kuunda pia ni kuhusu hekima inayokuja tu na uzee, na umri, utulivu huo unakuwa wa kawaida zaidi na wa kufurahisha zaidi kwa njia fulani, nadhani, asili. Sina hakika kila mtu anaegemea katika hilo. Kwa kweli, najua hawana.</p><p> Lakini namaanisha, nilikuwa nasoma hivi majuzi kwamba kuna utafiti mpya kuhusu hilo kama watu - tukiwa wachanga, tuna bidii ili kupata msisimko na kupata kuridhika katika mambo mapya. Na kwamba tunapozeeka, kwa kawaida tunapata msisimko na kuridhika katika kile ambacho ni cha kawaida, katika mifumo na tabia na aina ya mikondo ya kila siku ya maisha yetu. Na unajua, inanisaidia kufikiria kwa nini hekima huja na umri, kwa nini mzee anakuwa mzee kwa sababu kile kinachokuwa cha asili ni kupata, kama, ufahamu wa kina wa mila ya kiroho.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Ndiyo. Nilikuwa tu nikimwambia mtu fulani jana kwamba, wakati fulani - mimi tu nadhani nina umri wa miaka kadhaa kuliko wewe. Niliona kwamba nilikuwa nikipata uradhi mwingi kwa kuwatembelea marafiki zangu wa zamani kuliko kutafuta marafiki wapya. Na kusoma tena vitabu ambavyo nimekuwa nikivipenda siku zote, kila wakati, kulikuwa kunanipa mambo mapya na mapya badala ya kujaribu kutafuta kitabu kizuri cha hivi punde. Na kupitia upya maeneo ambayo nina uhusiano nayo kwa zaidi ya miaka 30 au 50, na papo hapo sio lazima ujielezee. Na unafanya bila msisimko wa mambo mapya, lakini uko kwenye mkutano wa ndani zaidi na wa karibu zaidi. Na wewe ni kweli, kwamba hivi karibuni kwamba inakuwa zaidi kuendeleza zaidi kuliko tu kupata mpya. Na bila shaka, kadiri unavyozeeka, ndivyo inavyokuwa vigumu kukumbana na kitu kipya, ndiyo maana, pengine, wakati unaharakisha, na inaonekana kama miaka inavyosonga kama kurasa za kalenda katika mojawapo ya filamu hizo za zamani.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Ndio.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Nadhani jambo lingine ambalo nadhani nilijifunza kutoka kwa Leonard Cohen ni kwamba, nilipokutana naye, alikuwa akiishi kwa mtawa kwa miaka mitano kwenye milima ya giza baridi nyuma ya Los Angeles, na akasema, kama ulivyotaja, kwamba kukaa tuli na kuangalia watu wengine na kusugua sakafu ilikuwa msisimko mkubwa wa maisha.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Ndiyo, ndiyo.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Ingawa alifurahiya anasa zote za ulimwengu. Lakini sehemu ya pili ya mchakato huo ambayo labda ni muhimu zaidi ni, tena, alirudi ulimwenguni. Na amezuru ulimwengu katika miaka yake ya 70 kwa miaka sita na kuwa mmoja wa wanamuziki maarufu kwenye sayari. Na nadhani sababu iliyomfanya kuwa maarufu ni kwamba watu wangeweza kusema kwamba alikuwa akishuka kutoka mlimani, kwa njia fulani.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Sawa.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Kwa maneno mengine, alikuwa akileta hekima na kina na kutokuwa na ubinafsi kwenye hatua ya tamasha ambapo hatuoni. Na nadhani, hata kama hawakuweza kuieleza, watu walihisi kwamba walikuwa wakipata kitu cha utulivu na uhakika wa monasteri kutoka kwake, si tu aina nyingine ya ajenda au mtu anayejaribu kuuza kitu.</p><p> [muziki: "Kimbunga" na MONO]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Mimi ni Krista Tippett na hii ni On Being. Leo tunachunguza "Sanaa ya Utulivu" na mwandishi Pico Iyer.</p><p> [muziki: "Kimbunga" na MONO]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Tunakaribia mwisho, lakini ninataka kukuuliza kuhusu ufahamu wa mambo. Na ninataka kusoma kitu ulichoandika, kilinivutia: "Usiri, kwangu, ndio unaosimama nje ya wakati na zaidi ya hali. Soma hotuba ya Zen ya karne ya 13, chukua St John wa msalaba, na usikilize albamu ya hivi punde ya Leonard Cohen, na uko mahali pamoja papo hapo. Fumbo ni karibu mabadiliko yasiyobadilika nyuma ya ukweli usiobadilika ambao unasimamia ulimwengu wote."</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Mbingu zangu, kwa kweli napenda hivyo. [anacheka] Bado ninaamini.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> [anacheka] Endelea, endelea.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Hapana, tafadhali.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Kweli, nilikuwa tu - je, usiri una jukumu tofauti au jukumu jipya au jukumu kubwa katika ulimwengu wa utandawazi, katika ulimwengu wa karne ya 21?</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Nadhani katika ulimwengu unaoharakishwa, inafanya hivyo kwa sababu nadhani tunahitaji, zaidi ya hapo awali, kujikita katika kile ambacho kimepitwa na wakati na kikubwa kuliko sisi na ambacho hakiko katika sasisho la hivi punde la CNN. Na inafurahisha kujua kilichotokea sekunde mbili zilizopita kwenye Grammys au hata muhimu zaidi nchini Iraki, lakini hatuwezi kuanza kueleweka isipokuwa tuwe na turubai kubwa na pana zaidi ya kuiweka. Na nadhani, kwa maana hiyo, inachekesha unaposoma tu maelezo hayo ya fumbo, inasikika kama maelezo yangu ya hermitage yangu.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Ndio, sawa.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Na nadhani labda nilikuwa nikitumia maneno hayo kama maneno yanayoweza kubadilishwa hapo. Lakini ikiwa fumbo ni neno kwa mahali ambapo sisi ni wa kina zaidi na wenye hekima kuliko sisi wenyewe, au angalau tunaweza kusikiliza kitu ndani yetu wenyewe, inaonekana kuwa kubwa zaidi kuliko sisi. Hakika tunahitaji hilo zaidi ya hapo awali kwa sababu ningefikiria katika karne ya 19, tuseme, wakati kuna tofauti chache za wazi, labda ni wazo la kimapenzi, lakini ninafikiria watu wanaweza kusikia sehemu yao bora mara nyingi zaidi.</p><p> Ni vigumu kusikia kelele za watu wa kisasa, na ninaona watu zaidi na zaidi wanazungumza kuhusu kukata kelele. Na hivyo ndivyo tunahitaji kufanya. Na nadhani fumbo ni njia ya kukatiza utitiri wa wakati huu na kutukumbusha kile ambacho ni halisi, na kisha kutukumbusha jinsi ya kujibu ukweli na kuutendea haki. Na nadhani hiyo ni - labda hiyo inazungumza na sehemu nyingine ya swali lako, ambayo ni uzuri wa fumbo ni mahali ambapo tofauti hutengana na ambapo hakuna wewe na mimi, hakuna mashariki na magharibi, hakuna zamani au mpya. Tuko mahali zaidi ya imani mbili na zaidi ya hila za akili, kwa kweli, kurudi kwenye maoni yako kuhusu kuwa msomi. Tuko katika nafasi ambayo hatuko nje ya ulimwengu tukifanya maamuzi na kutofautisha. Tuko katika ukweli fulani ambao hata hatuna budi kuutaja, lakini ni mahali ambapo mila hizo zote kuu hukutana.</p><p> Kwa hivyo ikiwa Rumi na John wa Msalaba na Meister Eckhart na DÅ gen, mwalimu mkuu wa Zen, wangezungumza pamoja, kila mmoja angeweza kuzungumza kwa lugha na katika mfumo wa mapokeo yake mahususi, lakini kile ambacho wangezungumza ni kitu ambacho kila mmoja wao angetambua kama ukweli wake wa karibu zaidi.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Na hakuna maneno yao yangefika mbali vya kutosha. Kweli?</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Hapana, haswa. Hasa. Mysticism ni mahali ambapo maneno yote, maelezo huisha.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Ndio. Sijapata — huwa ninakuona ukizungumza juu ya Mungu mara chache, na kwa kweli ninahisi kama kile ulichosema hivi punde ni fasaha sana, na, kwa hakika, Mungu ni mojawapo ya ukweli huo tunaoweza kuuelekeza kwa maneno tu. sijui. Je, una hisia ya Mungu, au ni lugha hiyo unayoepuka, au ni kwamba tu sijaiona?</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Hapana, uko sawa. Ni lugha ninaepuka. Na nakumbuka, nikiwa mvulana mdogo, kila nilipoona kitu katika herufi kubwa, kitu ndani yangu kilikuwa kikisitasita. Lakini cha ajabu, mtu fulani wiki mbili zilizopita, ghafla, bila kutarajia, aliniuliza, “Mungu ni nini?” Na nikasema, "Ukweli." Na nadhani hiyo ina athari nyingi. Lakini kwa kawaida, kile ningesema ni kwamba - bila shaka ningetumia neno Mungu kama wewe na mimi tulivyotumia hapo awali katika mjadala huu, na nadhani sote tuna kitu kisichobadilika na kikubwa na kisichoweza kueleweka kabisa ndani yetu. Na ninafurahi sana ikiwa Mkristo anamwita Mungu huyo, na ikiwa Mwislamu anamwita huyo Mwenyezi Mungu, na kama Mbudha anaita ukweli huo au kitu kingine. Tena, sidhani kwamba majina hayana umuhimu sana, lakini ukweli ni muhimu sana. Na nadhani huo ndio ukweli wa kimsingi ambao hatuwezi kumudu kuupoteza.</p><p> Na nadhani, ulipozungumza mapema juu ya kutafuta kwangu maeneo ya kiroho na watu, nadhani ni kwa sababu, katika umri mdogo sana, niliona, kwamba sikuwa na dini moja isiyobadilika mimi mwenyewe, kwamba watu ambao walikuwa na ahadi ya kidini walionekana kuwa wanatenda kwa wema na kutokuwa na ubinafsi na uwazi kiasi kwamba nilifikiri hawa ni watu ambao ninataka kujifunza kutoka kwao. Na nadhani nilichokuwa nikijifunza kutoka kwao ni kwamba walikuwa wakimsikiliza Mungu, na muhimu zaidi wakati mwingine, wakimtii Mungu na kumtii Mungu wakati Mungu anawauliza mambo yasiyowezekana. Lakini bado, walijua kwamba hapo ndipo dhamira yao ilipo. Na kwa hivyo siwezi kuanza kusema ni kiasi gani cha shukrani na pongezi nilizonazo kwa wale ambao wamemfanya Mungu kuwa kitovu cha maisha yao, au kwa upande wa Dalai Lama, anaweza kusema ukweli ndio kiini cha maisha yake, lakini ni tofauti juu ya kitu kimoja.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Kwa hivyo unaishi maisha haya rahisi sana, lakini unaandika vitabu ambavyo watu husoma. Na mara kadhaa katika miaka ya hivi karibuni, umekuwa na vipande katika The New York Times, na kuna moja uliyoandika miaka michache iliyopita, labda ulipokuwa ukiandika kitabu chako juu ya utulivu. Je, iliitwa "Furaha ya Utulivu?" Je, hiyo ni sawa?</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Ndiyo, ndiyo.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> "Furaha ya Utulivu?" Na ninataka tu - ulimaliza na - ulikuwa kwenye monasteri yako, nyumba ya watawa ambapo ulikuwa - nyumba yako ya siri, kama unavyosema, huko California, naamini. Na ulizungumza kuhusu - kutembea nje, kuzungumza na mtu anayefanya kazi kwenye MTV, huleta watoto wake wachanga huko, kwa hivyo anawatambulisha kwa furaha ya utulivu. Na ulikuwa na mstari ambao ulibaki nami mwishowe: "Mtoto wa kesho" uliandika, "Mtoto wa kesho, niligundua, anaweza kuwa mbele yetu kwa maana ya kuhisi sio nini kipya, lakini kile ambacho ni muhimu." Nilitaka tu kukusomea hilo. Ni nzuri sana.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Asante. Naam, asante kwa pongezi kubwa kama hii. Sababu iliyonifanya kumaliza kipande hicho kwa sentensi hiyo ilikuwa - bila shaka, ningeanza kipande hicho kwa kueleza jinsi nilivyokuwa nikienda kwenye mkutano huko Singapore wenye kichwa "Masoko kwa Mtoto wa Kesho."</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Ndiyo, ndiyo.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Kwa hivyo amani hiyo inahama kutoka kwa vitu vya kidunia kwenda kwa patakatifu, au kutoka kwa moyo wa ulimwengu, ambapo mtoto wa kesho anaonekana katika sentensi sawa na uuzaji kwa kile kitakachomsaidia mtoto wa kesho, ambacho kiko mbali na soko na ni kitu sawa na utulivu. Na kwa kweli, ajabu, nilikuwa na mhariri katika The New York Times ambaye angenirushia mambo haya na ambaye pia aliagiza kitabu cha TED miaka michache iliyopita. Kwa hiyo, bila kutarajia, ingawa hatukuwa tumewahi kukutana, alisema, “Kwa nini usiandike kipande juu ya ukimya,” kisha akasema, “Kwa nini usiandike kipande kuhusu wasiwasi,” na “Mbona usiandike kipande kuhusu kuteseka.” Na nilifurahi sana kupata nafasi ya kuzungumza juu ya mambo hayo. Na kama ulivyosema, nilishangaa sana kwamba The New York Times ingetaka kuangazia wale maarufu kwenye gazeti kama marekebisho kwa sasa.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Nataka kukuuliza swali hili kubwa. Kama umeishi maisha haya ambayo umeishi, hisia yako imeibuka vipi kuhusu swali hili kuu la uhuishaji, nyuma ya mila zetu za kiroho, lakini pia swali hili la ulimwengu wote la mwanadamu: inamaanisha nini kuwa mwanadamu?</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Nadhani kuwa mwanadamu inamaanisha kuunganishwa. Na mimi ni mtu aliye peke yake, na nimezungumza mengi juu ya utulivu na ukimya. Lakini nadhani ni vituo tu, ni sehemu za kujaza mafuta. Inafurahisha, tunapoenda kwenye uwanja wa ndege, siku hizi, kuna vituo vingi vya kuchaji vifaa na vichache sana kwa roho zetu.</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Sawa. [anacheka] Ghafla. Ghafla kuna vituo hivi vyote vya kuchaji tena.</p><p> <b>MR. IYER:</b> Ghafla. Na tunatambua kwa haraka kwamba ni kweli - ni wakati tu tunapochaji upya nafsi zetu, tunaweza kutumia vifaa vyetu vyema. Sehemu ya wasiwasi wangu kuhusu enzi ya kidijitali ni kwamba uzuri wake ni kwamba tunaweza kuwasiliana na watu katika pembe za mbali za dunia. Changamoto ni wakati mwingine tunapoteza mawasiliano na sisi wenyewe, haswa nafsi zetu za ndani. Na kisha sisi ni kujaribiwa zaidi kufafanua wenyewe katika suala la nini haijalishi na nini si kwenda kwa muda mrefu sana, kama ni sura yetu, fedha zetu, au resume yetu. Na sidhani kama kuna mtu atatajirika zaidi ikiwa atajifafanua kwa maneno hayo. Kwa hivyo nadhani kuwa mwanadamu ni kujaribu kupata sehemu bora zaidi yako ambayo, kwa kweli, zaidi ya wewe mwenyewe, mwenye busara zaidi kuliko wewe, na kuwa na hiyo kushiriki na kila mtu unayejali.</p><p> [muziki: "Panua" na Wes Swing]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Pico Iyer ameandika zaidi ya vitabu kumi na mbili vikiwemo The Global Soul: Jet Lag, Shopping Malls, na Search for Home, na The Open Road: The Global Journey of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama. Hivi majuzi zaidi aliandika The Art of Stillness: Adventures in Going Nowhere.</p><p> [muziki: "Panua" na Wes Swing]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Unaweza kusikiliza tena na kushiriki kipindi hiki kwenye onbeing.org. Huko unaweza pia kujiandikisha kwa jarida letu la barua pepe la kila wiki. Kutoka kwa Omid Safi kuhusu "Ugonjwa wa Kuwa na Shughuli nyingi" hadi Courtney Martin juu ya "Sanaa ya Kiroho ya Kusema Hapana," kila wiki uvumbuzi mpya kuhusu ukuu wa maisha yetu. Ili kujisajili, bofya tu "jarida" kwenye ukurasa wowote kwenye onbeing.org.</p><p> [muziki: "Akiko" by Guitar]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> On Being ni Trent Gilliss, Chris Heagle, Lily Percy, Mariah Helgeson, Nicki Oster, na Michelle Keeley. Tunasema kwaheri njema wiki hii kwa mwanafunzi wetu, Selena Carlson, ambaye atakosa. Na shukrani za pekee wiki hii kwa Zack Rose.</p><p> [muziki: "Akiko" by Guitar]</p><p> <b>MS. TIPPETT:</b> Washirika wetu wakuu wa ufadhili ni: Wakfu wa Ford, wanaofanya kazi na wenye maono juu ya mstari wa mbele wa mabadiliko ya kijamii duniani kote katika Fordfoundation.org.</p><p> Taasisi ya Fetzer, inakuza ufahamu wa nguvu ya upendo na msamaha ili kubadilisha ulimwengu wetu. Wapate kwenye Fetzer.org.</p><p> Kalliopeia Foundation, inayochangia mashirika ambayo yanajumuisha heshima, usawa, na uthabiti katika mfumo wa maisha ya kisasa.</p><p> Na Wakfu wa Osprey, kichocheo cha maisha yenye uwezo, afya na utimilifu.</p><p> Mfadhili wetu wa kampuni ni Mutual of America. Tangu 1945, Wamarekani wamegeukia Mutual of America ili kusaidia kupanga kustaafu kwao na kufikia malengo yao ya muda mrefu ya kifedha. 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