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——你谈到在哈佛商学院休假期间的经历。那里的学生或教职员工帮助你把如何将正念应用于商业提炼成两句话。我觉得他们说的真的很有帮助。“无意识就是把昨天的商业解决方案套用到今天的问题上。正念——”</p><p>兰格博士：不，那不是他们想出来的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：哦，他们没有。</p><p>兰格博士：不[<em>笑</em>]。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：但他们帮助你组织了这些句子，对吧？或者你说过……</p><p>兰格博士：好的，是的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：……你是在那种语境下阐述它们的。“正念就是调整自身以适应当下的需求，从而避免未来的困难。”</p><p>兰格博士：是的。我说过这话吗？嗯，没错，我说过。而且，我确定，我在那边待了一个学期，给他们的年轻教师上了一门课，很有意思，因为他们解决问题的方式截然不同。正如你所说，问题在于企业通常会用昨天的解决方案来解决今天的问题。我认为，在这种盲目寻找解决方案的过程中，他们往往会忽略近在眼前的答案。</p><p>当我在企业里演讲，试图让人们意识到他们有多么缺乏思考能力时，我会举很多例子。比如，即使是像“一加一等于多少？”这样简单的问题，我也会问。我知道有些人听着会想：“天哪，难道我们要听一个小时都在想这个吗？”然后他们会很自然地回答“二”，这时我会告诉他们，不，一加一有时等于二，但并非总是等于二。我会举不同的例子。最容易理解的例子是，如果你拿一团口香糖，再加一团口香糖……</p><p>蒂佩特女士：没错。</p><p>兰格博士：……你得到一个。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：没错。</p><p>兰格博士：每件事都是如此。我认为，你先有一个信念，然后寻求证据来证实它。因此，更明智的做法是正反两方面地提问：事情怎么会是这样？又怎么会不是这样？我们经常谈到压力——无论是在我的实验室还是在商业环境中——对于任何人来说，当压力来袭时，他们都会假设某件事即将发生——第一，而且当这件事发生时，情况会很糟糕。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：这两种想法都是盲目的。你需要从两个方面来打开思路。首先是“这件事一定会发生”的信念。你只需要问问自己，有没有证据证明这件事不会发生。而你总能找到证据来支持你问自己的任何问题。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：好的。</p><p>兰格医生：所以如果你有的话，你知道——我就要被解雇了。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：也许会发生，也许不会，而当它发生时，既有好的方面，也有坏的方面。到那时，前进的道路就容易多了。关于这一点，我还有一句俏皮话，你知道的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：好的，请继续。</p><p>兰格医生：“时机未到，无需担忧。”</p><p>蒂佩特女士：对（<em>笑</em>）。我记得埃克哈特·托利说过，压力源于不希望正在发生的事情发生。那就是压力。这其实也是在描述你刚才说的。</p><p>兰格博士：是的，这很有意思。我认为关键不在于正在发生的事情，而在于对即将发生的事情的预设。我的意思是，我认为压力源于对未来事件将会发生的信念。当你身处事件之中时，无论如何你都得应对它。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：没错。</p><p>兰格博士：是的，我认为这在某种程度上可以追溯到爱比克泰德，他曾说过（虽然不是用英语，也不是用我的口音），“事件本身不会引起压力。引起压力的是你对事件的看法。”</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：一旦人们能够理解——你看，现在几乎每个人都盲目地被这些绝对观念所驱使，而这些绝对观念的一部分就是对好坏的评判。如果它是好的，我觉得我必须拥有它。如果它是坏的，我就必须避免它。当它既非好也非坏时，我就可以置身事外，只是静静地存在。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：嗯。</p><p>兰格博士：所以，如果我们认识到我们是如何掌控现在和未来的，我们就能获得更多的控制权。</p><p> [<em>音乐：克里斯·比蒂的《恒河颂歌》</em> ]</p><p>蒂佩特女士：我是克丽斯塔·蒂佩特，这里是<em>《关于存在</em>》。今天我们邀请到的是社会心理学家艾伦·兰格，她被一些人誉为“正念之母”。她是揭示正念——她将其描述为“积极觉察事物”——无需冥想即可达到的直接生活益处的科学先驱。</p><p> [<em>音乐：克里斯·比蒂的《恒河颂歌》</em> ]</p><p>蒂佩特女士：你以一种有趣的方式描写了时间以及我们对时间本身的感知是如何融入其中的。</p><p>兰格博士：是的。嗯，我只是想强调一点，我认为我们的信念并非无关紧要。不是说它们微不足道，而是说它们几乎是唯一重要的东西。这话说得有点极端。好的。那么，如果你要问，究竟是实际时间重要，还是感知时间重要？对我来说，是感知时间。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：没错。</p><p>兰格博士：假设我们让你参与这项研究，你入睡，醒来后看到时钟。对于一半的人来说，时钟走得比正常快一倍——不是一半，而是三分之一。对于另一半人来说，时钟走得慢了。对于剩下的三分之一人来说，时钟走得准确。这意味着，醒来后，三分之一的人会认为自己睡了比实际多两个小时、少两个小时，或者与实际睡眠时间相同。问题是，当你随后被要求完成一些生理和认知心理任务时，这些任务反映的是真实时间还是感知时间？显然，我认为，当你早上醒来，感觉睡得很好时，你就会精神抖擞，无论你实际睡了多久。当然，这种感觉是有极限的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：我认为这在某种程度上反映了我们对时间的感知，尤其是在当今科技变革步伐似乎如此之快的时代。</p><p>兰格博士：是的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：这确实会造成很多压力，无论是我们如何看待多任务处理，还是拖延，对吧？所有这些都牵涉其中……</p><p>兰格博士：对。对。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：……与我们和时间、截止日期之间的关系。</p><p>兰格博士：是的，我认为当我们对未来感到担忧时，我们可以做的一件事就是想想过去我们所有担忧过的事情，而这些事情最终都没有发生。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：[<em>笑</em>] 好的。那么，我想问您，您刚才说的是什么？您说的这种直接正念练习，对吧？这就是您所研究的，也是您所宣扬的。那么，请您给我们讲讲这种直接正念练习的应用，以及您所学到的所有这些方法，在日常生活中是如何体现的？</p><p>兰格博士：我认为，我之所以不害怕很多事情，是因为我有能力应对。我不会为了明天而放弃今天。至于这一点——我不想和经济学家争论，虽然我完全可以，比如关于为未来储蓄之类的话题。这——这属于另一个层面的分析。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：好的。</p><p>兰格博士：但是，我们大部分的担忧，几乎所有的担忧，都是关于明天的事情，而我们无法预测明天会是什么样子。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：但你反复说、反复写，这很容易。</p><p>兰格医生：好的，好的。那么……</p><p>蒂佩特女士：但这听起来并不容易，对吧？而且，随着时间的推移，这会变得容易吗？是吗……</p><p>兰格博士：是的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：……你学到了什么？</p><p>兰格博士：是的。而且，我觉得这并不容易——你花五分钟时间练习，然后，你知道，就某一类内容而言，你的整个生活就会发生改变，虽然这种情况确实可能发生。但我跟你说过，练习方法就是回家，或者给某人打个电话，或者我们现在停下来的时候，去隔壁房间看看别人，留意一下他们身上有哪些新的变化。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：嗯。</p><p>兰格博士：你以为你了解的这个人，会突然对你的感觉不一样了。这个人对你的反应也会不一样。而且这种变化会瞬间发生。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：嗯。</p><p>兰格博士：如果你正在做一件困难的事情，你会问自己：“我到底在担心什么？如果我没完成这件事，又会有什么积极的影响呢？”或者，“我该如何把这件事变成一场游戏？”“为什么我觉得我的生命取决于这件事？”因为我们的生命很少真正取决于某个特定的行为。你明白我的意思吗？</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：一旦如此——人们过着一种持续的生活，却把当下发生的一切都当作自己最后的机会。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：没错。所以，你知道，美国心理学会评价你的工作，说它为数百万以前被认为无法改变、无法避免的问题带来了新的希望，这非常引人注目。20年后，或者100年后，心理治疗还会像伍迪·艾伦电影里演的那样吗？（<em>笑</em>）那种电影仍然是几十年前人们对心理治疗的刻板印象。</p><p>兰格医生：我觉得可能不会。但我认为情况已经在改变了。很多年前，我就说过心理治疗应该分为两部分。现在，有些人能用老练的方式对你说：“我知道你的感受，你会好起来的。”但他们未必能告诉你该如何继续生活，该如何才能真正快乐。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：没错。</p><p>兰格博士：所以从某种意义上说，他们能让你从不快乐变得中立。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：[<em>笑</em>] 好的。</p><p>兰格博士：所以，现在出现了一种新的职业——教练。教练这个职业也正是在这里蓬勃发展起来的。你知道，很多现在接受教练指导的人，以前都是接受心理治疗的人。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：对，对，这很有意思。是啊。</p><p>兰格博士：我相信未来还会有很多变化。不过，请继续。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：我的意思是，心理学——这不是我个人的观察，而是很多心理学研究的背后都有这种理念，比如理查德·戴维森的研究。我的意思是，很多心理学和精神病学都过于关注病理学。而你——你关注的是掌控和创造——</p><p>兰格博士：是的，然后从一开始……</p><p>蒂佩特女士：……每个当下，你都想成为你想成为的那种积极的人。</p><p>兰格博士：是的。我刚开始做研究的时候，这个领域到处都是问题。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：没错。</p><p>兰格博士：从一开始，我的研究就围绕着幸福感展开，有趣的是，用“幸福”这个词来形容幸福感显得过于温和。所以我用“幸福感”这个词。我认为，随着研究的深入，积极心理学领域正在蓬勃发展。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：而且，我认为我的上一本书，《<em>逆时针</em>》这本书，副标题是“心理学——或者说可能性的力量”，仍然有点不同，因为与其描述现状，即使我们以更积极的方式描述它，不如创造我们想要的样子。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：我想说，我认为您刚才提到的那句话非常重要——我们思考的不是“现在是什么”，而是“我们想成为什么，什么是可能的”。您知道，我们现在在自助类书籍中经常听到类似的说法，但这些说法可能相当肤浅。但您作为一位科学家，却这样说……</p><p>兰格博士：是的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：……亲眼见证这一切成为现实。</p><p>兰格博士：是的。再说回语言研究。很多年前，我谈到过“能”和“如何能”之间的区别。它们看起来很相似，但实际上却截然不同。当你问自己“如何做某事”时，某种程度上你是在绕过你的自我。你只是在探索、尝试，试图找到解决方案。如果你问自己“你能做到吗？”，那么你只能诉诸过去，很多事情都是如此——当人们说“人们只能做A、B或C”时，我脑海中的第一个念头总是：我们怎么知道的？这怎么可能呢？</p><p>我问我的学生——我说速度有多快——当时正值波士顿马拉松前后——我会问，人类的极限速度是多少？他们会做一些奇怪的计算，因为这些孩子都很聪明，他们会算出28英里、20英里、32.5英里之类的数字。谁知道呢？然后我会跟他们讲墨西哥铜峡谷的塔拉乌马拉人。这些人一天能跑100英里、200英里，而且一刻不停。我和一位朋友也讨论过这个问题，当时我们都在医学院的老龄化研究部门工作。有一天我打电话给他，问他：“你觉得——他是一位医生——手指骨折需要多久才能痊愈？” 他说：“我估计一周。” 我说：“好，如果我说我可以用心理疗法在五天内治好你的手指，你会怎么想？” 他说：“好吧。” 我又问：“那四天呢？” 他说：“好。”我说：“三天怎么样？” 他说：“不行。” 我说：“好吧，那三天零二十三小时呢？” 好吧，重点是……</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：……你知道，什么时候会出现这样的时刻：在这一边你可以，而在另一边却不行？</p><p> [<em>音乐：Portico Quartet 的《Too Many Cooks》</em> ]</p><p>蒂佩特女士：所以，我的意思是，我觉得这件事也确实对公民公共生活有着深远的影响。</p><p>兰格博士：是的，是的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：我一直在思考这个问题，因为如果你想想，在我们的公共生活中（这也是我经常思考的问题），我们往往只会问“我们能不能这样做”，对吧？就是那种是非题。然后我们再去争论“能”或“不能”这两个问题。</p><p>兰格博士：嗯。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：而我们实际上并没有创造很多可能性……</p><p>兰格博士：没错。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：……关于一些非常重要的话题。</p><p>兰格博士：是的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：我的意思是，我认为你把它放在了一个不同的语境中，这真的很有意思。</p><p>兰格博士：是的。我觉得——还有一点可能听起来很奇怪。但我反对妥协。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：什么？因为妥协听起来那么体贴周到。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：好的，再说一些。我喜欢。</p><p>兰格博士：嗯，原因在于这是一项所有人都会输的协议。它只是减少了你的损失而已。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：你知道，与其寻找双赢的解决方案（这种方案通常就在那里），不如……</p><p>蒂佩特女士：嗯，看来我们还能再聊一个小时。快到最后了，我想问你最后一个，也是比较重要的问题。谈论正念，实际上也是在谈论觉察。</p><p>兰格博士：是的。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：而“我们如何才能过上美好的生活”这个问题，本身就是一个关乎存在意义的问题。如果你愿意的话，可以把它看作是贯穿人类历史的这个问题的一种变体或演变。所以，我想知道，你所做的这项工作是如何让你对“何为人”这个宏大问题产生不同的思考，以及我们可能从中了解到哪些以前未曾领悟的知识。</p><p>兰格博士：是的，很有意思。我曾经打算写一篇关于正念乌托邦的文章，也许最终我会写，并认真思考这类问题。但我认为，人们作为个体、在人际关系中、在群体中、在文化中，乃至在全球范围内所经历的大部分弊病——这是一个非常重要的论断——几乎都是由于某种形式的无意识造成的，无论是直接的还是间接的。因此，随着文化变得更加正念，我认为所有这些问题自然而然都会改变。你知道，在文化层面，人们为了有限的资源而争斗，但资源可能远没有人们盲目地认为的那么有限。人们的自尊心受到威胁，即使是在国家层面进行谈判时也是如此。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：人们看待和对待他们的方式并非如此。当人们上班时感觉良好，工作生活令他们兴奋、有趣、充满成就感时，他们就会更加努力工作。他们也会减少对他人的评价。一旦我们不再感到被评价，我们就能变得更有创造力、更专注，敢于冒险，因为这些冒险其实风险不大，而且我们也会更加善待他人。</p><p>最终，我认为对我而言，作为人的意义在于感受到自己的独特性，同时也要意识到其他人也同样独特。而且，我认为人们——现在，我认为人们感受到的这种由衷的快乐，那种我所说的深层次的快乐——并非指你刚刚得了奖或买了新东西之类的——他们认为这是每个人都应该体验的。你知道，也许如果你比其他人更多地体验到这种快乐，你就是幸运儿之一。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格博士：我认为你应该一直保持这种状态。</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是这样的——我的意思是，你知道，你刚才说过“大多数事情只是不便，而不是悲剧”。悲剧确实存在。那么，幸福究竟是什么？这种生活方式又是如何……</p><p>兰格博士：嗯，这很有意思……</p><p>蒂佩特女士：……在那些时刻发挥作用……</p><p>兰格博士：是啊，我举个例子。很多年前，我家遭遇了一场大火，烧毁了我80%的财产。我打电话给保险公司，他们第二天就来了。保险代理人告诉我，这是他接到的第一个损失比电话本身还要惨重的电话。我当时想，‘哎，我的东西都已经被烧毁了，不管这意味着什么。’</p><p>蒂佩特女士：是的。</p><p>兰格医生：“我为什么要付出我的灵魂？你知道，就是——为什么要付出两次？”人们常常就是这样。事情发生了，你失去了什么，然后你就会把所有的情绪都倾注到这件事上。这样一来，你就加倍地承受了负面情绪。有趣的是，回过头来想想你会如何看待一场悲剧——因为我们可以说，这场火灾并非一件小事。我当时在一家酒店住了几天。我带着两条狗。所以，在我家重建期间，我每天穿过酒店大堂时，都像个活生生的人影。这件事发生在圣诞节，就在平安夜前几天。平安夜那天，我离开房间，几个小时后回来，发现房间里堆满了礼物。这些礼物不是酒店管理人员送的，也不是酒店老板送的。而是帮我停车的人、客房服务员、侍者送的。真是太令人感动了。当你剥离所有无谓的不安，你会发现人其实很了不起。所以我一直在思考这个问题。我无法告诉你我在那场火灾中失去了什么。但此刻，我拥有的却是一段无比美好的回忆。所以，有时候事情的发展需要更长的时间。</p><p> [<em>音乐：Arms and Sleepers 的《Kepesh》</em> ]</p><p>蒂佩特女士：艾伦·兰格是一位社会心理学家，也是哈佛大学心理学系的教授。她的著作包括<em>《正念》</em>和<em>《逆时针：正念健康与可能性的力量》</em> 。</p><p> [<em>音乐：Arms and Sleepers 的《Kepesh》</em> ]</p><p>蒂佩特女士：您可以在 onbeing.org 上再次收听和分享本节目。“ <em>On Being”</em>节目的主持人包括：特伦特·吉利斯、克里斯·希格尔、莉莉·珀西、玛丽亚·赫尔格森、妮基·奥斯特、米歇尔·基利、玛雅·塔雷尔、安妮·帕森斯、托尼·比尔莱菲、玛丽·桑比莱和汉娜·雷哈克。</p><p>我们的主要资助伙伴包括：</p><p>约翰·邓普顿基金会。</p><p>福特基金会与世界各地社会变革前沿的远见卓识者携手合作，详情请访问 fordfoundation.org。</p><p>费策尔研究所致力于提升人们对爱与宽恕力量的认识，以期改变我们的世界。访问 fetzer.org 了解更多信息。</p><p> Kalliopeia 基金会致力于支持那些将敬畏、互惠和韧性融入现代生活结构的组织。</p><p>亨利·卢斯基金会支持一项新倡议：重新构想公共神学。</p><p>还有 Osprey 基金会——致力于促进人们拥有充满力量、健康和充实的生活。</p><p>我们的企业赞助商是美国互惠保险公司。</p><p>自 1945 年以来，美国民众一直信赖美国互惠保险公司 (Mutual of America) 来规划退休生活并实现长期财务目标。美国互惠保险公司致力于提供优质的产品和服务，帮助您积累和保值资产，确保财务安全。</p><p> [<em>音乐：“Herstory of Glory”，演唱者：Do Make Say Think</em> ]</p> </div> </div>    <div class="inline-share-icons border-0 mt-0 pt-0"> <div class="d-flex align-items-center"> <span class="me-3 fw-semibold">Share this story:</span> <div> <a 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You don't need to fluff up what's being said with new age-y music. Let the ideas speak for themselves! I hate having to keep hitting the damn mute button.</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/1250/-p-a-href-http-www-onbeing-org-program-ellen-langer-science-of-mindlessness-and-mindfulness-transcript-7906-onbeing-org-a-p-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-600-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=5863#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="5863" data-cmt-author="Joan"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment-item" id="cmt_5862"> <div class="comment-container"> <div class="comment-avatar"> <img src="https://pod.servicespace.org/pics/mem/blank.jpg" alt="User avatar"> </div> <div class="comment-content-wrapper"> <div class="comment-meta"> <span class="comment-author">HealThyself</span> <span class="comment-date">Mar 28, 2016</span> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/1250/-p-a-href-http-www-onbeing-org-program-ellen-langer-science-of-mindlessness-and-mindfulness-transcript-7906-onbeing-org-a-p-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-600-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=5862" class="ms-auto link-icon text-muted"><i class='fa fa-link'></i></a> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <p>I have a book by Kenneth R. Pelletier, copyright 1977, "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer".</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/1250/-p-a-href-http-www-onbeing-org-program-ellen-langer-science-of-mindlessness-and-mindfulness-transcript-7906-onbeing-org-a-p-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-600-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=5862#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="5862" data-cmt-author="HealThyself"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment-item" id="cmt_5861"> <div class="comment-container"> <div class="comment-avatar"> <img src="https://pod.servicespace.org/pics/mem/blank.jpg" alt="User avatar"> </div> <div class="comment-content-wrapper"> <div class="comment-meta"> <span class="comment-author">Donald Higdon</span> <span class="comment-date">Mar 28, 2016</span> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/1250/-p-a-href-http-www-onbeing-org-program-ellen-langer-science-of-mindlessness-and-mindfulness-transcript-7906-onbeing-org-a-p-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-600-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=5861" class="ms-auto link-icon text-muted"><i class='fa fa-link'></i></a> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <p>This is not news. William James was saying this in the 19th century.</p> </div> <div class="comment-actions"> <a href="https://www.dailygood.org/story/1250/-p-a-href-http-www-onbeing-org-program-ellen-langer-science-of-mindlessness-and-mindfulness-transcript-7906-onbeing-org-a-p-p-p-iframe-frameborder-no-height-600-scrolling-no-src-https-w-soundcloud-com-on-being/?t=showComment&cid=5861#addcomment" class="reply-link" data-cmt-id="5861" data-cmt-author="Donald Higdon"><i class="bi bi-reply"></i> Reply</a> <span class="btn-light post_btn small"></span> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <script> $(document).ready(function() { // Toggle between short and full comments $('.see_full_cmt').on('click', function(e) { e.preventDefault(); var cid = $(this).attr('cid'); $('.short_cmt' + cid).hide(); $('.long_cmt' + cid).show(); }); $('.see_short_cmt').on('click', function(e) { e.preventDefault(); var cid = $(this).attr('cid'); $('.long_cmt' + cid).hide(); $('.short_cmt' + cid).show(); }); }); </script> </div>   </div> </div> </div> </div> </section> <script src="js/story.js?1aud"></script>  <footer class="footer"> <div class="container"> <div class="row"> <div class="col-md-5 mb-4 mb-md-0"> <h5 class="footer-title">About DailyGood</h5> <p class="footer-about-text"> For over 29 years, DailyGood has been a volunteer-led movement to share uplifting stories that connect hearts and inspire action — all without ads, agendas, or asks. 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